Devin Andretti Responds

Devin Andretti wrote: There’s a difference between detained & arrested ...

So how many times have you been detained and was it for stealing gear and harassing people? There are some real douchebags, trolls, racists, and thieves around, so I want to make sure all the facts are out before I start checking boxes.

Yes I only want to defend myself being solid on 5.9 Crack, as far as the claims of theft/harassment go I don’t feel as if I need to. Nobody has come forth w/ claims it was them, just everyone appears to have a “friend” I’ve ripped off. You dudes are genuinely engaged w/ this while I’m just enjoying the saga in between running laps, I have no shortage of partners despite the shitty accusations so I couldn’t care less. 

My buddy was with you when you lost your shoes, mentioned u belayed like shit and self rapped to save his own life.

Devin Andretti wrote: Yes I only want to defend myself being solid on 5.9 Crack, as far as the claims of theft/harassment go I don’t feel as if I need to. Nobody has come forth w/ claims it was them, just everyone appears to have a “friend” I’ve ripped off. You dudes are genuinely engaged w/ this while I’m just enjoying the saga in between running laps, I have no shortage of partners despite the shitty accusations so I couldn’t care less. 

I have a shit ton of screenshots already from people. They've been sent to the NPS email that @ryan sheridan posted. It's not hearsay, it's solid proof you're harassing everyone you come across.

TR Fellhung wrote: Man I hate to drag myself into this but it does seem like there is a lot going on here. I followed both the threads and saw the accusations and have to admit that I just believed the worst about Devin. But now I'm not so sure. He makes a good point that all the accusations are second hand, "my friend" and such. The only firsthand issues were with him as a climbing partner and that German dude that flat out said he didn't like black climbers. We've all had incompatible partners and that's not a crime. Devin sounds like he has stoke and maybe he's pushing too hard with the soloing but that is a personal choice.

We all know the valley is a police state and that "driving while black" is a real thing, there are statistics that prove it. If he has been harassed by LEO rangers it could be for the same reason. I hate to think it but maybe "climbing while black" is also a real thing.

Well to be fair to the racist German dude I believe he said that he didn’t like black people anymore after climbing with Devin. 

From my own life experiences I bet there is at least a person or two that Devin has scared the hell out of/been an asshole too, and those situations have given spawn to other peoples versions of the story creating this snowball effect. 
When I read that euro dudes comments though I couldn’t help but think of that Chapelle skit where he goes “now that shit was racist.”

<<<Man I hate to drag myself into this but it does seem like there is a lot going on here. I followed both the threads and saw the accusations and have to admit that I just believed the worst about Devin. But now I'm not so sure. He makes a good point that all the accusations are second hand, "my friend" and such. The only firsthand issues were with him as a climbing partner and that German dude that flat out said he didn't like black climbers. We've all had incompatible partners and that's not a crime. Devin sounds like he has stoke and maybe he's pushing too hard with the soloing but that is a personal choice.
We all know the valley is a police state and that "driving while black" is a real thing, there are statistics that prove it. If he has been harassed by LEO rangers it could be for the same reason. I hate to think it but maybe "climbing while black" is also a real thing.>>>

You know, I also like to give people the benefit of the doubt and until there is concrete certainty that the accusations leveled against him are true, I'll reserve judgement.
That being said I have been involved in situations with manipulators and thieves and the successful ones are generally relatively bright and talk a good talk. The whole key for these types of predators is to be able to manipulate a situation to benefit themselves whether it be through illegitimately obtaining someone else's property, companionship or talking their way out of accusations with seemingly plausible stories/excuses. I also feel that any innocent person would be a tad more up in arms about their character being defamed to such a degree than this dude is showing.
Yeah, cops suck and being a person of color is tough in this country but thats no reason to assume the guys innocence nor guilt.
I can't believe I just wasted my time typing that. Today must be boring...

An Italian African American.  This keeps getting better. 

Caped Baldy wrote: Hey Devin,

My man.  It's page three now, it's your thread so you tell me when it's okay to start posting some of the knives I make by hand for sale.  Normally around page 6-8 is the sweet spot.

Also, most of you are incredibly boring caucasian climbers.  (The boring part is from much more than the skin color, so don't worry.)  I'm sorry, but it's a fact.

That said, most of you have ZERO idea of the crap people of color endure on a daily basis.  That goes for me as well (just call me Casper,) with the exception of that I married a person of color and we now have mixed children.  She and her family have shared all kinds of insights with me, and I've hopefully learned a ton and have improved the way I treat other people around me because of it.  I'm lucky to get 1stish hand peek into the lives of the non-white in our wonderful country.

I got to see it firstish-hand earlier this year.  We were staying at an AirBNB for about a month, nice big place in a gated community on a golf course, WHITE as you can imagine.  The next door neighbor, upon seeing my wife playing with our children in the opening of the garage/oversized driveway, asked her if she was "okay."  "Okay?"  What on earth did she mean?  Mind you, my wife and kids were showing no sign of distress, but my guess is the neighbor was concerned that my wife was in the proximity of an open entryway to one of the homes in the community, was black, and didn't have a maid outfit or termite-inspection-company uniform on.  What on earth could she possibly be doing there?  

F*cking LOL.  

I should have torn her a new one when I got home from work, but as I mentioned before - she was old and white, and will be dead soon.  On to the next.

It's quite possible that some of the grief Devin is getting was born in the prejudice of the typical white Valley Climber.  I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

It's also possible that the dude is a thieving creep with the ladies and needs his ass kicked, but handles slammer hands like a champion.

It's also possible that the truth lies somewhere in between.

It's also possible that FrankPS posts on MP almost always make me want to die.

Thanks for laying out all the possibilities, and I commend you on your restraint. The three words "Are you okay" can only be interpreted one way and certainly is a legitimate case for violence.

I never knew someone could transform into a person of color through marriage. Congratulations on your transcendence to a place above boring caucasian status.

Can you explain how someone can be "in between" thieving creep and...anything?

Sloppy Second wrote: Thanks for laying out all the possibilities, and I commend you on your restraint. The three words "Are you okay" can only be interpreted one way and certainly is a legitimate case for violence.

I never knew someone could transform into a person of color through marriage. Congratulations on your transcendence to a place above boring caucasian status.

Can you explain how someone can be "in between" thieving creep and...anything?

I wouldn't pay much attention to "Caped Baldy's" opinions. He is bitter about the way his life is and lashes out at most, except for a few groupies that hang on his vitriol. His major thrills come from berating others.  Sad.

FrankPS wrote:

I wouldn't pay much attention to "Caped Baldy's" opinions. He is bitter about the way his life is and lashes out at most, except for a few groupies that hang on his vitriol. His major thrills come from berating others.  Sad.

Now I get it. "caped baldy" - the biggest troll of them all is here on MP!!!

My favorite part of these threads is when all us white people explain how we know a black person.

Can we get back to appreciating that Devin came here first and foremost​​​​ to defend his crack climbing ability? I'd hope from his ticks he's solid on 5.9 crack, as he's climbed Grant's Crack about eight thousand times.

Where's the petition to rename Grant's crack to Devin's Crack?  Looking at his ticks, he's earned it.

BillS wrote: OMG - Burchy - one man, 100’s of deactivated forum accounts.

I was wondering if that was who Caped Baldy is

Bring back Hellanor!

Mike Horan wrote: Where's the petition to rename Grant's crack to Devin's Crack?  Looking at his ticks, he's earned it.

OCD is a hellavu drug.

Hey Devin, we have video proof . Wait for the shoe to drop buddy it’s coming. He was arrested for out of bounds camping and theft so far. The legal system is slow but will catch up with him . Total narcissist can’t handle his climbing ability being questioned . I’ve seen you thrash on after 7 . Pathetic pathological liar. 

• @Ryan yes for sure you do b/c people who have condemning evidence always reserve it in favor of just kicking bullshit. After 7 that your friends took up a double rack on to my 5 pieces of gear? Haha I think the meds you’re taking for your broken leg are getting to you, rest up & stick to the blues til you actually know how to ride a snowboard. Enjoy commenting & carrying on, know life must be pretty vlad when you can’t even walk on your own. 

Devin Andretti wrote:  Fuck ‘em, We Climb 

Devin Andretti wrote:

• @Ryan yes for sure you do b/c people who have condemning evidence always reserve it in favor of just kicking bullshit. After 7 that your friends took up a double rack on to my 5 pieces of gear? Haha I think the meds you’re taking for your broken leg are getting to you, rest up & stick to the blues til you actually know how to ride a snowboard. Enjoy commenting & carrying on, know life must be pretty vlad when you can’t even walk on your own. 

We arnt reserving that video. NPS has it and is building a case day by day. Devin the Gumby won’t last the month here, and I will be posting a mug shot once this POS is arraigned. Yeah Devin I do have a fucked up leg, But you are still to much of a wuss to meet face to face after we offered to take it to the meadow multiple times. This guy will pretend to be “the manager at the mountain shop” or a “climbing guide” in order to scam people into climbing with his sketchy A** . Nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted, especially the claim that he is solid on valley 5.8. 

Wait one god damn second.
Is "taking it to the meadow" the equivalent to "taking it outside"?? Is there a secret fight club in El Cap meadows we don't know about? I know the first rule about fight club, but please message me so I can watch.