I'd love to know who stole our NIAD water stash

Bruno needs to put on a shirt

bruno-cx wrote:

This is the internet, it's been weaponized by our government, nation states, and most importantly 4chan.  It has not been a reasonable to place to have a reasonable discussion since the early 80s.  

Now excuse me trad dad while I go stash some pads and few growlers of IPAs in RMNP for the season.  Friction labs, has been nagging me to post some content to instagram, my camera crew is way too lazy to hike that trash up there from me.  Hiking is brutal when you have skinny legs.

Walk on your hands

Before everybody gets a little carried away.
NIAD in Greek means running water, so maybe, it was just a misunderstanding, misinterpretation, on the part of some foreign travelers.
Walls are for climbing

That would be naiad- a nymph or water goddess- and an entomological classification...for obvious reasons. Funny coincidence though!

Next time include an expiration date showing the water has expired.

Ben Pellerin wrote: Wow wish I could walk around all entitled acting like I'm a victim after I leave trash strewn about and someone cleans up after me.

You planned poorly left shit on a route that you seemed to be depending on and then whine when someone takes your unattended trash!  Damn shame you won't learn a lesson from it.

Did you also leave a rope on snake dike traverse?

  You sure seem like a real peach

Best bet is to leave three gallons of water stashed. Two good gallons and one gallon of xlax to make them suffer through life for a day.

You’ll find out who took your water on a route soon enough if want to play games. 

@Christian Black- thanks, that's the answer I was looking for.  And thanks to most of you for your replies.  Some responses:

a) It sounds like you just have to be wary when stashing water on a trade route like The Nose.  I don't know many climbers who would deliberately sandbag a fellow climber in this way, my guess is that if someone drinks stashed water, they are a little desperate and thinking they'll just take a little, which becomes a little more.  The percentage of climbers who sincerely believe that stashed water labeled with a date 3 days in the future and tape shut is fair game, is very small.

b) On the trash comments- it's obvious who has wall experience here.  You take your trash WITH YOU, it goes without saying.  Anyone who has climbed a big wall in Yos knows that. You crunch up the bottle and put it in the bottom of your pack.  Or- and I heard this from multiple sources- toss it and make it a point to sweep the base for at least that much junk when you get back down.  I'm NOT condoning this, just relaying what I've heard from others with more experience.

c) Though it wasn't the point of the post, the ethics/style involved with stashed water is a good, valid discussion.  But, it's just not that hard to compartmentalize, is it?  I simply knew I couldn't count on being fast enough to only need the H20 I could carry, didn't want to epic on the lap of some other party to ruin their climb, so I followed the style of MANY others before me, who work a Dolt stash into their plan. IT.  IS. COMMON. And so is doing it without H20, which is far superior style.  If anyone asks, I'd say "yeah, we did stash water, slightly poorer style though, but we got up the thing".  

And in the end...we didn't make the day mark anyway, we took much longer.  I learned a lot, pushed myself harder than I have in a long time, and am proud to have done the Nose "in a push", but not in a day.

Cory F wrote: Next time include an expiration date showing the water has expired.

We did. 

Can anyone here with a bunch of Yosemite experience just answer the poster's question without the charades? Carter. If you put it up there and leave it, it's fair game. Doesn't mean there isn't a tribe that truly values conduct, character and code but you have to remember that's your code you are living by. Great job doing that thing in a day. As common as it is it's a big deal and an amazing tick. Occam's razor/simple solution first. Rely on self and stash it better. Don't waste time feeling badly about whether someone broke a code. Folks got short on water and nervous and took your water. Simple. I'd spend time thinking of a bigger adventure and hide the water a bit better!

carter jensen wrote: @Christian Black- thanks, that's the answer I was looking for.  And thanks to most of you for your replies.  Some responses:

a) It sounds like you just have to be wary when stashing water on a trade route like The Nose.  

b) You take your trash WITH YOU, it goes without saying.  Anyone who has climbed a big wall in Yos knows that. You crunch up the bottle and put it in the bottom of your pack.  Or- and I heard this from multiple sources- toss it and make it a point to sweep the base for at least that much junk when you get back down.  I'm NOT condoning this, just relaying what I've heard from others with more experience.

c) I followed the style of MANY others before me, who work a Dolt stash into their plan. IT.  IS. COMMON. And so is doing it without H20, which is far superior style.  If anyone asks, I'd say "yeah, we did stash water, slightly poorer style though, but we got up the thing".  

And in the end...we didn't make the day mark anyway, we took much longer.  I learned a lot, pushed myself harder than I have in a long time, and am proud to have done the Nose "in a push", but not in a day.

re: in a push - either way, nice work. 

never heard of the toss and sweep strategy. my guess is that style is going by the wayside and should be all but extinct by this point. 

i think it's fair to stash to Dolt, but yeah even with a note i think the nose is popular enough that i'd be a bit worried about it. there are just so many people going up the nose these days. 

Steven Cooney wrote:
Don't waste time feeling badly about whether someone broke a code. Folks got short on water and nervous and took your water. Simple. I'd spend time thinking of a bigger adventure and hide the water a bit better!

yeah i like this. just forget about it and move on. 

I can only answer the first question.  Yes, this is fairly common.  I've had it happen and have had much worse things done to me by other climbers.

randy88fj62 wrote: Best bet is to leave three gallons of water stashed. Two good gallons and one gallon of xlax to make them suffer through life for a day.

Sounds like a great way to ensure you encounter human shit later on the route. 

As mentioned in another thread, MP needs a hide user button so you don't have to ignore the same trolls over and over and over.

Ethics: Labeling, dating, and stashing water is a totally accepted practice in the valley, it's doing that which turns it from trash to something you are returning for. If it's past the date it's fair game for others. Yes it's trash at that point and it really shouldn't get to that. I'd say 75%+ of people won't mess with your labeled water unless they really need it. But it's always the sore thumb that sticks out. Plenty of people stash water and it's there for them and you don't hear about it. A trade route like the Nose has lots of gumbies and non english speakers so your chances are worse and about 10X worse in hot weather.

You can't "stash water better" on the Nose. It's not the base. There's limited places to put things.

Style: so what? You are climbing to challenge yourself and have fun. If stashing water for future use on a hot day makes for less suffering do it. It's also common to run up to Dolt or El Cap tower to practice for a NIAD and get the lower pitches dialed. It makes total sense to leave some water there for a NIAD.

The thing about that came up in this thread that drives me nuts is the trash (or human waste) behind the flakes. So lame for people to hide it instead of just admitting they are lame and leaving it for someone else to deal with. It makes clean up so much harder or impossible. You'd think climbers would be smart enough to realize this.

And it could be worse! Did you read the story about the guys that got caught high on the Nose in a storm. People came up under them and they said don't come up any farther there's no room on the ledge for you, but the people below came up anyway. The usurpers crammed their way into their bivy. In the middle of the night a guy in the first party feels jostling and pulling on his tie in and just as he gets pushed off the ledge he grabs a rope and it left hanging by his hand, someone had undone his tie in.

Glowering wrote: As mentioned in another thread, MP needs a hide user button so you don't have to ignore the same trolls over and over and over.

Ethics: Labeling, dating, and stashing water is a totally accepted practice in the valley, it's doing that which turns it from trash to something you are returning for. If it's past the date it's fair game for others. Yes it's trash at that point and it really shouldn't get to that. I'd say 75%+ of people won't mess with your labeled water unless they really need it. But it's always the sore thumb that sticks out. Plenty of people stash water and it's there for them and you don't hear about it. A trade route like the Nose has lots of gumbies and non english speakers so your chances are worse and about 10X worse in hot weather.

You can't "stash water better" on the Nose. It's not the base. There's limited places to put things.

Style: so what? You are climbing to challenge yourself and have fun. If stashing water for future use on a hot day makes for less suffering do it. It's also common to run up to Dolt or El Cap tower to practice for a NIAD and get the lower pitches dialed. It makes total sense to leave some water there for a NIAD.

The thing about that came up in this thread that drives me nuts is the trash (or human waste) behind the flakes. So lame for people to hide it instead of just admitting they are lame and leaving it for someone else to deal with. It makes clean up so much harder or impossible. You'd think climbers would be smart enough to realize this.

And it could be worse! Did you read the story about the guys that got caught high on the Nose in a storm. People came up under them and they said don't come up any farther there's no room on the ledge for you, but the people below came up anyway. The usurpers crammed their way into their bivy. In the middle of the night a guy in the first party feels jostling and pulling on his tie in and just as he gets pushed off the ledge he grabs a rope and it left hanging by his hand, someone had undone his tie in.

TLDR but there is a MP Hate List chrome extension. Use the search bar.

Yer welcome!

Just put a little yellow food coloring in the water and lable it with skull and crossbones. ☠️

No one will touch it when jammed in a crack on the Nose.

Gym climbers probably took it

carter jensen wrote:

To the rest of you-do you typically just ignore replies like this?  What's protocol for inexperienced posters/grownups?

Hes being a dick... you do what you would if it was the subway... if you're a normal person you ignore them. If you are also a dick you respond... by being a dick.

Rob warden The space lizard wrote:

Hes being a dick... you do what you would if it was the subway... if you're a normal person you ignore them. If you are also a dick you respond... by being a dick.

https://youtu.be/sEJ7l0kfDic

Bummer the water disappeared but stashing will always be a small risk on any very popular route. 

Chris Kalman wrote: 
But that begs another question -- why on earth would you climb NIAD in summer?

I can believe high summer is grim but don’t dismiss June. 

I’m a Brit., pasty-skinned and poorly adapted to warm weather. I’ve done The Nose a couple of times on the 21st June (not the same year!). Temps. were in the 90s on the valley floor but ideal up on the wall: T shirt in the afternoon, light puffy at night. Some cloud cover does help.