Canyoneering Club wants to cement over Graffiti at Stoney Point! Anybody have information?

I gues a Canyoneering Culb is fixing to cover up graffiti at Stoney.
Anybody know anything about it?
​https://youtu.be/WJySv4Vrwwc​​​

Everyone realizes the graffiti will come back, right?  There is not resolve to graffiti in the city, you just paint over, they tag it again, you paint over it, etc etc.  Nobody wins the war.

Forever..... I care about the problems. Only a small fraction of SP contain the problems Most is just choss. The City came in and put some sort of road paint on the Carousel Boulder to make it look nice for the service for the victims of the Metro Link crash.
You can’t climb those problems any longer.
I’m trying to figure out who these people are so I can make dam sure the don’t slather Rock 1 or Turlock with that shit or any of the climbs.
Thanks for chiming in

Guy, I agree with you. That's my point too, one shouldn't cover the paint with more paint, that will never end.  
You need a delicate spray paint remover. Otherwise the layers on layers on layers of paint will absolutely destroy the climbing. texture.

SoCal Canyoneering is the overlapping entity on FB

www.meetup.com/canyoneering/members/12632719/
www.facebook.com/KlausGerhart

Klaus and his assistant instructors teach canyon classes at Stoney and organize many of their trips.  may or may not be Klaus in charge of the graffti "Kover Kote" effort, but he should be able to put you in touch with whoever that are

painting over graffiti with cement mixtures usu more appropriate for water course settings, as in wet canyons like Eaton or similar.  reason being the FS usu doesn't want chemical residues to drop into the water and endanger organisms and plants.  chemicals and/or sandblasters seem ok for a dry urban setting like Stoney.  maybe touch on that as one of the talking points, as well as why climbers prefer rocks unaltered and climbable.  the latter a no brainer for us climbers, but not all canyon runners are climbers also

That video is horrible. 1 it looks like crap and 2 they painted a tree.

Guy thanks for standing up for Stoney and keeping it legit there. I know these guys mean well but I’m with you this is not the best thing for Stoney. 

At my local (Columbia Boulders - Sonora CA), I've had pretty good luck using the product 'Elephant Snot' and a pressure washer. The rock is pretty hard, so it might not be an option everywhere.

Danielle has a daughter who climbs, very well. Danielle and her husband Brian both have done some toproping themselves around SoCal

All: thanks for the information, I knew you guys could ferret out the information. I will reach out to them.
Unfortunately I have a racing commitment for Feb 23.
I’ll try to make a walk around with the organizer and point out the stuff they shouldn’t worry about.
There ARE a ton of multi colored murals scattered about that need to removed. None are on any of the climbs because the Artist preference is to get your crew together- smoke up a bunch of Meth and go to work. Most are in the little Canyons and secluded spots. The murals take me about 7 visits to remove, starting with Kilts ... the stuff you use on stained walls to stop the stain from returning, then I dab colored water base flat paint. Doing this I have been able to make the shit disappear especially when you stand back a bit or see from the road.
It is dangerous to be there removing the shit alone, I have had a few tense encounters. Now I make sure I have a few others around. I know a few folks who have been physically attacked and shots have been fired!
Don’t confront anyone who is tagging. It not worth it. Getting license plate numbers and reporting to police goes nowhere.
The poster photo is all the shit down by the train tunnel- funny- during the interactions I have had with Artists- I tell them WE don’t give a F about tagging on walls or cement and I point to the train tunnel or the freeway wall or the block wall behind the homes. “Just don’t use the rocks and we are down with that” is what I tell them. Some listen most don’t.
Right now the worst is visible from Topanga and is sort of precarious to get to. Ropes will be required for safety, maybe some MP people could help with that!
I will report back.

This is bad to teach people. Your basically graffiti-ing over graffiti. Elephant Snot and a pressure washer will actually get the paint out. Ive used it on sandstone with 20+ year old tags and they came right out. Granite will be no different. This is a poor solution to a problem that is not hard to fix.  

yeah, you would want to talk to Danielle and whoev else in charge before the 23rd, esp if you want to give some inputs as to what works most effectively and which areas need cleaning the most, to allow them time to implement any changes.  climbers want less graffiti at Stoney.  canyon folks want less graffiti at Stoney.  sounds like just a cordial conversation or two to sync up how best to do that together

Dave Hug wrote: This is bad to teach people. Your basically graffiti-ing over graffiti. Elephant Snot and a pressure washer will actually get the paint out. Ive used it on sandstone with 20+ year old tags and they came right out. Granite will be no different. This is a poor solution to a problem that is not hard to fix.  

Disagree..... the soft sand stone at Stony gets destroyed if blasted. Hi Pressure water washing removes the thin layer of hard patina that we climb on. Chemical strippers also make it dissolve- trust me, I have seen it all and can show you the damage done in the past. One weird thing that works is to cover it up with Elmer’s White Glue and dry dirt. 6-8 weeks later a good brushing witha stiff nylon brush removes enamel paint. We do this on foot holds and hand holds on problems..... it works and leaves the thin edges in place. 

They need to stay away from Stoney Point PERIOD!

Here's the facebook event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/579687355788826/

I've been corresponding off and on with event's organizer, Danielle, and Guy, for a few weeks now.  Danielle's group obtained a large supply of KoverKote for free.  Her plan for Stoney is to paint KoverKote over graffiti, and possibly also use concrete powder mixed with water and sand.  KoverKote was invented by Don Tayler here in SoCal and it seems has been approved for use by the USFS and possibly other entities.  Danielle obtained official permission from LA City for this clean up including the use of KoverKote and/or concrete.  

https://www.facebook.com/pg/KoverKote/

It seems KK goes on grey and smooth, which could be problematic.  Here's what it looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S3LpxiJsxM  And here's a longer vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJySv4Vrwwc

I asked if they were planning on dyeing their KK to match stoney's tan colors.  She said they're looking into using grout color powder for this.  The impression I'm getting is this will be a first attempt at dyeing KK.  Hopefully it goes well.

Danielle climbs, many of the canyoneers climb, and Danielle assured me they will not harm the climbing routes or boulder problems.  "We will do everything we can to ensure the routes are not impaired by our efforts."

Worx makes a tool called the hydroshot that draws water from a bucket and produces about 350 psi. It's not as effective as a real pressure washer, but it is better than a pisspack. It also won't take off sandstone.

I’ll be there for the clean up. I’m also a scenic artist and suggest using mortar tints and sand dg textures to make the patch/cement climbable again. Un like that horrendous mess of semigloss coverup paint at point Magu. I went there a few months ago and could barely top rope the 9 on that greased elephant. 

 I have worked with Michael he knows his stuff 

This is wrong in every way!!!!

Mark Frumkin wrote: This is wrong in every way!!!!

Really?  Picking up trash?  Making at least an attempt to manage the graffiti issue?

Not that hard to contact the organizers and get up to speed on any concerns.

What's your issue with it?

My problem is the rock! Clean up all you what, leave the rock alone! Over the last 40+ years I watched people with good intent cause damage to boulder problems, planets & animal habitat. There was graffiti there 50 years ago when I would ride my sisters horses there. Jesus Wall was named for the graffiti on it, so was turlock! Leave the rock alone!

Other than picking up broken glass at the base of the boulders and climbs, my contact with them has confirmed their focus is on places which have graffiti not used for climbing.

A quick couple google street view screen grabs from Topanga Canyon Blvd: