Outdoor Retailer 2019 Winter and Summer New Gear

Place for new gear from both of the shows in Denver this year.

EDIT: anything from ISPO would fit here as well.

​Grivel Dark Machine​​​ and Dark Machine X

(Tripple strand Dyneema ripstop fabric and load hauling suspension)
​Specs, details, and pre-order​​​
​Olympus Mons Forum here​​​
​​Thermarest Uberlite​​​
8.8oz for a 2.5" thick pad
Reg length, 2.0 R-value

Most of these have already been announced, but still fun first looks.

Patagonia Macro Puff. I wonder if this the real next DAS? 
https://gearjunkie.com/patagonia-macro-puff-jacket-review

Any indication on how much the tools will cost

Jake wander wrote: Any indication on how much the tools will cost

Lol I was so excited running around looking at everything (I was only there for one day) that I forgot to ask

That Granite Gear bag looks awesome

Stephen Young wrote: Patagonia Macro Puff. I wonder if this the real next DAS?
https://gearjunkie.com/patagonia-macro-puff-jacket-review

$400 for a synthetic jacket seems excessive, even for Patagonia.

Stephen Young wrote: Patagonia Macro Puff. I wonder if this the real next DAS? 
https://gearjunkie.com/patagonia-macro-puff-jacket-review

No. It's 15oz so not warm enough unless Plumafill is coated in pixie dust (it's not). A 1lb down jacket isn't even winter worthy warmth wise. Also too fragile with loose fill insulation and 10d fabric.

Josh Tannenbaum wrote:

$400 for a synthetic jacket seems excessive, even for Patagonia.

A Dually is $600 :-) Difference is it doesn't suck.

Obviously purely hypothetical gear nerding. I'm sure Patagonia's customary propaganda videos will convince everyone they can send the Slovak with this thing in their pack. 

Definitely curious about those Grivel tools, wondering how they'll swing into hard ice being so light. 

Jake wander wrote: Any indication on how much the tools will cost

$420 for the Dark Machine, and $450 for the Dark Machine X. Apparently Grivel is still working on a handle wrap so this is not necessarily the finished product.  

Stephen Young wrote: Patagonia Macro Puff. I wonder if this the real next DAS?
https://gearjunkie.com/patagonia-macro-puff-jacket-review

Patagonia or Marmot or NorthFace??

And Raf of the the Alpine Start does a great job covering some cool new stuff I haven't seen elsewhere:

https://www.thealpinestart.com/2019/02/03/or-jan-2019-highlights/l

Doug Hutchinson wrote: And Raf of the the Alpine Start does a great job covering some cool new stuff I haven't seen elsewhere:

https://www.thealpinestart.com/2019/02/03/or-jan-2019-highlights/l

In that alpine start link they cover the new update to the Phantom Tech that I'm excited for.

Is the macropuff replacing the hyperpuff-but costing $100 more?

At that price-the arc’teryx kappa is a much, much better deal with a lot more features 

jdejace wrote:

No. It's 15oz so not warm enough unless Plumafill is coated in pixie dust (it's not). A 1lb down jacket isn't even winter worthy warmth wise. Also too fragile with loose fill insulation and 10d fabric.

I didn't think so, either. Especially in the video it looks unsubstantial. 

akafaultline wrote: Is the macropuff replacing the hyperpuff-but costing $100 more?

At that price-the arc’teryx kappa is a much, much better deal with a lot more features 

That's what I was wondering. I hope not

Doug Hutchinson wrote: thealpinestart.com/2019/02/…

Anyone else get spyware warnings when they try to go to this site?  Anyone know what that's all about?

Rich Farnham wrote:

Anyone else get spyware warnings when they try to go to this site?  Anyone know what that's all about?

I had no issues with spyware. Maybe skip the link and just Google the website?

jdejace wrote:

No. It's 15oz so not warm enough unless Plumafill is coated in pixie dust (it's not). A 1lb down jacket isn't even winter worthy warmth wise. Also too fragile with loose fill insulation and 10d fabric.

You read my mind.  How anyone who climbs in the winter could find this thing belay worthy, ie: warm enough for static activity in windy temperatures below 25ºF or so, blows my mind.  

Patagonia, even though they make fantastic gear, will have promo videos later this summer with sponsored athletes in the best shape of their lives, climbing in high alpine with action-Jackson shots of them "warm and toasty" in their 130/90 gram synthetic belay jacket.  I second your motion,  I don't buy it!

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the new Phantom Techs coming next season!  100 grams in weight savings, along with an additional Aerogel insulation and a more durable sole?! Bingo!

AlpineIce wrote: I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the new Phantom Techs coming next season!  100 grams in weight savings, along with an additional Aerogel insulation and a more durable sole?! Bingo!

2nd!  

Are they full of magic??  And they are cheaper.   The flimsy sole was definitely a con if you had any sort of approach on rock or dirt.   I’m excited they sound sweeeeet.