ISO: stalwart soul to repeat Imago Invisibiliae on the SR

Old lady H wrote: Fritz? Some of us will look forward to part two! Please keep it safe and a nonepic, eh?

All? Even tiny acts have consequences, and ripple out....who knows where??

Worthy of a bump, and, also part of the story of Fritz's cams:

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113509375/everyone-you-meet

Best to all of you. This is my people, these days. Helen

I’m sorry Helen, but comparing a struggle with cancer to Fritz having an epic and admitting his chemical dependency at least once in the thread is just not accurate. 

I don’t think Fritz is necessarily a bad person and I bet we would even grab a few beers at SteamworksTogether, But I haven’t said anything that I wouldn’t tell anyone of my friends who’s obsesssed with Instagram.

It’s great to hear Fritz is out having fun. The rest of this thread sounds like jealousy.

Don’t worry haters, you’re up for that promotion next year. You’ll get that a extra week of vacation time soon enough.

s.price wrote: I think Fritz is more of a Carvers guy :)

Could be wrong.

Well that says it all

It's great to see everyone coming together this Holliday Season.

F loyd wrote: It's great to see everyone coming together this Holliday Season.

.... in a big old dog pile. 

mediocre wrote:

I’m sorry Helen, but comparing a struggle with cancer to Fritz having an epic and admitting his chemical dependency at least once in the thread is just not accurate. 

I don’t think Fritz is necessarily a bad person and I bet we would even grab a few beers at SteamworksTogether, But I haven’t said anything that I wouldn’t tell anyone of my friends who’s obsesssed with Instagram.

My dear, kind sir (no sarcasm, you're one of many who have helped me over the years)?

You entirely missed my point. The first sentences of Steve's eloquent post.

Not all battles are visible. Steve, Fritz and I are all threads in a lovely, continuing​​​​ story that now probably includes at least a dozen more people, just on my side of it, all traceable to a few tiny kindnesses thrown my way by complete strangers. Not just Fritz, and Fritz wasn't even the first. Some of the stories amaze me, which is why I have shared them on here, over the years. 

I've been very public on here with my struggles,  also, and so have Fritz, Steve, and many others.

I will be blunt. These friendships have, and continue, to help me keep going. In turn? I try to remember that, and offer compassion, deserved or not, even to strangers and MP "trolls".

We simply don't know what the other is struggling with. If we do ​know? All the more important to keep that in mind.

Just my take on how I choose to muddle along.

Best, Helen

Honestly I only read enough of the comments to get the gist. All I can say about all the negativity is if you knew Fritz you wouldn’t  be saying it. Fritz is a good guy and is well respected by everyone I know in the Western Colorado Climbing community. I’ve climbed with Fritz, put up new routes with him, talked at length about upcoming adventures with him. I would go on an adventure with him any day.

Randall Chapman

I think if you asked the local environment how it felt that day, it would say...

Fritz:  1
Everybody else:  0

I don’t disagree with you but with in a couple of months all traces of his adventure will be removed, because that’s the type of guy Fritz is. But there will still be a road that leads you to the overlook, a dam that creates the Blue Mesa Reservoir, a tunnel that allowes the uncompagra (sp???) valley to irigrate their crops, and all the other environmental impacts that occur on a daily basis in that park. Hell, I ran my heater in my house and drove my 12 mpg truck on the day he was riding his bike, I had a much bigger environmental impact that day.

All I’m saying is your putting the noose around the wrong mans neck. I’m glad people care and as a person that does a lot to advocate for climbing and the environment on the western slope I hope to discourage recklessness, I don’t believe this to be the case. I was honestly surprised to hear that things went bad for Fritz, because of the people I know, I thought for sure he would pull it off. He had a vision and it didn’t work out. He’s doing what he can to reverse his impact. If he wasn’t, I’d be calling for his head as well. I’m not defending him because he’s a friend, I’m defending him because he’s doing thing the right way, and that’s why he’s a friend. 

s.price wrote:

I like both places. IMO Carvers Jack Rabbit is the best beer in town. And believe me, I have had them ALL.

Carvers was the one brewery that I just didn’t like. I know people do, but I never saw it. (I also realize people say the same thing about Steamworks)

Old lady H wrote:

My dear, kind sir (no sarcasm, you're one of many who have helped me over the years)?

You entirely missed my point. The first sentences of Steve's eloquent post.

Not all battles are visible. Steve, Fritz and I are all threads in a lovely, continuing story that now probably includes at least a dozen more people, just on my side of it, all traceable to a few tiny kindnesses thrown my way by complete strangers. Not just Fritz, and Fritz wasn't even the first. Some of the stories amaze me, which is why I have shared them on here, over the years. 

I've been very public on here with my struggles,  also, and so have Fritz, Steve, and many others.

I will be blunt. These friendships have, and continue, to help me keep going. In turn? I try to remember that, and offer compassion, deserved or not, even to strangers and MP "trolls".

We simply don't know what the other is struggling with. If we do know? All the more important to keep that in mind.

Just my take on how I choose to muddle along.

Best, Helen

Thanks for your kind words Helen. 

But I must not be picking up what you’re putting down unless Fritz is struggling somehow more than just this epic. 

Rschap wrote: I don’t disagree with you but with in a couple of months all traces of his adventure will be removed

Physically such traces will be gone, but the impacts of this extend deeper. The SAR report and citation will remain in NP record and the friendly rangers aren't the desk jocky land managers reviewing such things to determine access restrictions. There will be repercussions on the canyon and all of us who value access to it, even if small and not immediately apparent. This is a display of poor stewardship, especially to those outside the climbing community. You think the jerks in DC give a damn that Fritz is a nice guy who had a creative vision or that by your account he is doing right? This is not how I want to be represented as a climber, wilderness user, or Coloradan.

Access concerns aside, the other prevailing issue is how Fritz has acted like a conceited self-righteous ass online. I believe that in person Fritz is a nice guy that even contributes to his community, but why can't he act like that online? Where's the slightest ounce of humility, admittance of mistakes, or anything less than spray of self-proclaimed accomplishments?

So yeah, Andy and I have been corresponding personally and are at a point of agreeing to disagree. I’m guilty as charged that I can get more than a bit shitty with strangers online. That’s my problem. I was born into the LiveJournal generation ... homeschooled thoroughbred, PK/MK, started college at 15, suburban Midwest girlpants wearing scene kid x260x, baby of the family, bit of a of a rough life that you can read about by searching MP, pill junkie for years, whatever. what more ammo for yer arsenal do ye need? I love life.

 Less talk, more rawk, thug sauce.

Per my conversations with the Rangers, what I did is not going to endanger climbers’ access. I may have jeopardized access issues for future mountain bikers wanting to disassemble and carry through the canyon, oh how deleterious of me. but really? Let’s be honest, no one else is going to be such a sucker for pain as to try what I did.

I broke a rule (unintentionally) and am paying the fine for it and voluntarily am taking some community service hours for the NPS as a gesture of good will. 
If it makes the vindictive types here feel any better, I got fired for missing two consecutive shifts while shiverbivying with Ophelia. Currently #funemployed if any of you g-units wanna thrash.
Anyways, my rest days are over and I’m moving onto the next project ... DRYTOOLING SUPERCRACK!!! Just kidding

Alpine start underway. It’s 2 in the morning ritenow on tha #bestslope ... do ye know where yer gotez are?

The boy needs to up his game. He could have gotten his arm stuck between the bike and a rock then pried his elbow apart with a tire lever and had a story worth telling. Such an amateur.

Hobo Greg wrote:

As someone who has only worked about six months in the last three years, I can tell ya, I’m not at all jealous. It’s a badass trip idea he had, just executed rather poorly. If his actions in any way lead to loss of access/increased regulations, then it wasn’t just himself he was putting at risk. And I really doubt that land managers take this kind of thing as lightly as some here.

 Please! Someone think of the children!

See the 5th post down. I was hoping to steer to thread in a positive direction,but knew it was going to be a typical MP train wreck. Now if this was someone who got a cam/rope stuck in Eldo this would be a completely different story. Because it's at the bottom of the Black,and full on winter conditions it's a no go for there majority of the interweb community. Adventure for the masses is less than 10 minute approach, and waaaay bomber rap stations. Push your limits long enough you WILL make some mistakes.... it's how you learn, and progress. Best wishes.

P.S. An after thought what about all these people posting up,"I lost this or that" when it was actually forgot/left behind. They don't get the grief this guy is getting....nothing but well wishes and hope of a safe return of, "lost" stuff...oh the hypocrisy.

BillS wrote: I think this all would have turned out much differently for you without the flagrant use of pot.  

I'm thinking you're still you - but nobody knows you smoke pot - no fine and still employed.

It may be legal here - but The Man has no patience or respect for the people who use it - especially ones who openly brag about it then royally f something up.

And in a National Park = federal land = quite illegal, even if in CO.

Of all the things to discuss that he did wrong, pot is by far the most absurd. Don't believe the federal propaganda, it's just a plant.

It does not take humility to brag online. A humble writer shares his tale and lets the reader determine brutality and valor. Someone with no ego wouldn't even say anything. The issue is not that he did or didn't do something, it's how he has dealt with it. And the trouble with ditched gear is not just visual eye sore, but how the rest of the world perceives climbers' actions. He could have said nothing and we, along with the rest of the world, would be none the wiser.

My first trip to the Black was likely before most of you that reside in this state crawled up off the flatlands, Fritz included. I don't chime in regarding things at Gunks, DL, or the shitshow of California, but the Black is part of my home and the landscape in which I was born and raised. This is not a playground to trample thru, it is a temple to tread lightly on, deserving of our utmost respect and care.

Rednekk Justice 5.10+++ has been served. The supervisor said the max could’ve been $250ish, but he put in a good word for me.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(Insert fart noise here)