Quickdraws stolen off Shinto Wall at Ten Sleep

Someone stole 13 of my favorite quickdraws off Left El Shinto yesterday (Monday July 31st). I punted off the top at the end of the previous day like a fool, so left them up to hopefully finish after a rest day. Some folks saw them on the wall that next morning, but they were gone by the afternoon.

They're a unique little set of draws with black Melolius bolt side biners, black DMM dogbones, and orange Petzl Spirit rope side biners (the new ones). I've had them for 5-6 years and every meaningful send I've had has been on these draws.  They have some real sentimental value to me.

If you aren't a terrible, shit human, please just drop them off at the Rock Ranch or something. Hell, I don't care, Facebook message me and I'll pay shipping to get them back if you've left town already. I just want my favorite quickdraws back.

Otherwise, you can bet your ass that I'll recognize those draws if I see them at any crag in the world, and I get around my fair share. Do the right thing.

If your partner shows up with a new set of used quickdraws that look like this, maybe reconsider climbing with them.

Faster pussy cat! Kill! Kill!

Someone's got some shit karma coming their way.
(Sorry about your draws. That totally sucks.)

Garbage.

Maybe next time leave a note with the date the draws were hung and your contact info. That would do a lot to appease people who get mad because they don't know if old/dangerous/DEADLY draws might be hanging at the crag. Then they could at least get them back to you too if they were just upset about the eyesore.

Ah, sentimental climbing gear. I promptly retire any gear I start catching feelings for just so I don't end up in this situation.

I thought you weren't supposed to leave draws on anything easier than 5.13

Only, Locals wrote: I thought you weren't supposed to leave draws on anything easier than 5.13

Wouldn't that depend on where you're climbing?
A 5.13 in the Gunks is not the same as a 5.13 in the Red.
(Haven't climbed in Ten Sleep, so I can't speak to the grades there.)

That's a pretty entitled post from someone who abandoned gear that was valuable to him.

Laralyn Mowers wrote:

Wouldn't that depend on where you're climbing?
A 5.13 in the Gunks is not the same as a 5.13 in the Red.
(Haven't climbed in Ten Sleep, so I can't speak to the grades there.)

Them be fightn' words!

Tradiban wrote:

Them be fightn' words!

For the record, I don't climb 5.13 outside—period! Just saying that grades vary from place to place.

Will...nice looking draws. I can see why they're so dear to you. It's really a shame about your 13 missing draws, but threatening and calling out the perpetrator as a shit person isn't taking the high road or likely to get your cherished draws returned. As distasteful as it may be, offering a reward or some beer for their return would be more effective. Offering to pay shipping is a good start. Unfortunately, the issue of leaving draws in place on a project is not a new concern and has been debated ad nauseam on Mountain Project, Supertopo, etc. If you don't want to lose your gear... "clean up your toys, Will!

I realize that this topic has been discussed on MP ad nauseum, but to be perfectly honest, leaving project draws up at an area like Ten Sleep is a common and completely acceptable practice...has been since the late 80s. Anyone who takes draws in such a situation is nothing more than a thief. That said, it is probably not a good idea to leave your best draws up, as draw thievery definitely seems to be more common ( (and less stigmatized) than 10 or 20 years ago. 

If you take a random car because the key is in the ignition, you still stole the car.
If you clean an entire route of draws that aren't yours, you also stole them.
Nit-pick the details, but taking something that isn't your is stealing.
I hope they tried Killer Karma after they took them.

How in the world can you be a member from 2014 and actually expect to post up on Mountain Project about this topic and think someone is going to fess up and mail you your draws back?!? This comes up literally every 6 months:

1) Kiss your gear goodbye. It's gone and no matter how many times you justify that they were project draws, or even that a natural disaster occured and you had to bail 50% of the comments are going to come from the 5.7 poseur TC Pro wearing tradsters that have no clue what projecting a route is all about and/or local ethics from that particular climbing area are going to call you out and say, "Shouldn't have left your garbage on the wall!"...oh wait, that's already happened just within the first few comments!

2) Rifle is about the only safehaven for Sport Climbers that can still leave their draws on 5.10's and beyond.

3) Only hang gear that you'll assume it won't be there the next day.

Personally, I would leave draws hanging on every single route in the US if I had my way. I'd leave a bucket full of ropes, harnesses, shoes, crash pads, draws and a stick clip so the only thing I would ever need to carry is food and water to the crag, but it's not up to me and between the critters and the crag police I can't. But that's just me, because of my punk rock, skateboardng background where rules just don't apply to us.

I'm going to make a set of draws identical to these and just wait to hopefully one day experience his wrath

Left some quick draws on a route you say?

Bob . wrote: I'm going to make a set of draws identical to these and just wait to hopefully one day experience his wrath

Better watch out, he gets around. 

If I could not climb a route, left 13 draws that had that much sentimental value to me, and someone cleaned up after me, I would be too embarrassed to blast it all over MP! 

Every real project draw needs quicklinks. 

Wow there's a bunch of lecturing HATERS on this thread but I suppose that's par for the course for MP.  If one draw is left on a route it's obviously a bail draw and booty.  If multiple draws are left on a route it's obviously a project and if you take them you're a THEIF.  Plane and simple.  Pretty disturbing how many commenters on here seem to be siding with the thief and have the "well you shoulda known better" attitude.  Way to keep it classy MP.  

Hope you get your draws back man.