New BD Camalot

Huh, I've never heard of a cam lobe deforming (other than link cams, which have significantly less material at the connections).

Do you have any pictures or links of this happening? I'm curious if this is actually a problem

I’ve seen a handful over the years including BD’s. I know I’m not the only one. 

Used to be a bigger problem with the old ones:
​mountainproject u-stem camalot failure​​​

Here's one from @justbombergear on instagram:

Kevin Mcbride wrote:

What a crime , god forbid you have to place the cam with the proper direction of pull

You clearly dont climb offwidth much, lobe deformation is a somewhat common mode of failure for large cams

Sam Miller wrote:

You clearly dont climb offwidth much, lobe deformation is a somewhat common mode of failure for large cams

Idk about them, but I don't climb offwidth at all. No thank you!

Alex Temus wrote: Huh, I've never heard of a cam lobe deforming (other than link cams, which have significantly less material at the connections).

Do you have any pictures or links of this happening? I'm curious if this is actually a problem

Here's one example.
https://youtu.be/DHjNxgbAhQM

Interesting if they have increased the lobe width much.  If they have then they could even be more resistant to lateral buckling....

But I do agree with the others it is worth thinking about.

Width of the nylon webbing looks smaller?

Also, the dimpled pattern on the cam surface looks needlessly complicated relative to the grooves they used to use

Where is this info coming from, is there a big outdoors expo happening now or something?

mpech wrote: Width of the nylon webbing looks smaller?

Also, the dimpled pattern on the cam surface looks needlessly complicated relative to the grooves they used to use

I wouldn’t say it’s needlessly complicated maybe they’ve found that design is useful for some reason. Although I wonder why they’re continuing to anodize the rock contacting surface. 

Chris Ritna wrote: Where is this info coming from, is there a big outdoors expo happening now or something?

It's the outdoor show somewhere in Europe. The best coverage I've found so far is the instagram stories on the UKClimbing instagram page.

Mike G wrote:

 I wonder why they’re continuing to anodize the rock contacting surface. 

Because Wild Country has a patent on the process so BD can't copy.  Although BD could license the process from WC if they choose.

Greg D wrote:

Because Wild Country has a patent on the process so BD can't copy.  Although BD could license the process from WC if they choose.

Huh, the more I know. Does DMM license that process from wild country or is their process different enough to not need to?

Mike G wrote:

Huh, the more I know. Does DMM license that process from wild country or is their process different enough to not need to?

DMM and Wild Country have the same parent company.  

Greg D wrote:

Because Wild Country has a patent on the process so BD can't copy.  Although BD could license the process from WC if they choose.

Which process is this?   I would have though removal of anodizing isn't a patent able process.

Weren't Totem the ones to first go back to bare aluminium on the lobe faces?  Bare aluminium lobes have been around for decades.

Bare aluminum is different than anodizing the lobes then removing it from the face only.

I’m not arguing for or against the patent. Just providing info. I didn’t issue the patent.

A few weeks ago, someone posted a letter from BD after requesting why they don’t have their love faces bare. They replied that wild country has a patent on it so they can’t do it.

Wild country and dmm have the same parent company?  I am pretty sure wild country is owned by dynafit and dmm was their own entity, can anyone shed light on this?

Greg D wrote:

DMM and Wild Country have the same parent company.  

That's not the case anymore.  Wild Country was acquired by Salewa a while ago, and I think DMM might still be independent.