Should I keep it secret

We well share it to the world when it’s all done we have one more trip to the top 

Joe De Luca wrote: whatever , It is highly redeeming that you, both,( all?) need validation but dont want to see your great find of a crag TRASHED BY OTHERS, TILL YOU'RE DONE TRASHING IT THE WAY YOU LIKE.--- CAPS LOCK FAIL------ LIMESTONE? LOOKS SO COOL IT IS HARD TO TELL ?looky at all the crap rock Ive been bashing up, real man stuff - Soo Cowboy-  how about - crow bar? Did ya use one ? if so ya need to go back with a car jack , joe

Anyone else thinking, WTF ? WHAT IS IT ?

IS IT -  AS BIG A PILE  -  AS IT LOOKS?
i'M ALWAYS OF THE OPINION THAT WHERE THERE IS THAT MUCH EARTH IN THE VERTICAL -  THERE MUST BE CLIMBS

Do yo say what the  quality. is?  how far from the vehicals ? if it is to far away even if it is good stone, it might be  to far away to bother with, . .  . . .

 yet.

. build it they will come. . . some day

And the douchiest bro post of the year goes to...

#WHEREDE'TROLL'AT?
Cheers
DMT 

?FISHY?

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I  call bullshjt where it lays -  a secret? why? either  post it as a good quality hang or as a pile of choss 

 & Give the best beta you can, Put the effort into it,  so that there can be a consensus  reached.

if the place is worth it - If you are going to put it out there, here, Do it right,

Do it justice, 'draw' a map, 

, or what  & WhereIf I had warm bodies with time, hammer-drills, batteries & bolts  - I have the stone *& I would be proud to be putting up routes in my secret spots too.
It is actually an issue that I'm struggling with

I stay to myself.& climb alone,In the densely populated north east, I'm a regular "Healyje' . . ? Accept, that to preserve access  I would be ok with  any and all  types of of climbing.
I think from Gym-style grid bolting or only anchors or no bolts at all, it is a balance that we now have this arena to try to reach a consensus

I leave stuff hidden in the woods,
a very mixed up as to the LNT ethos,
 it would be hard for me not to use a crow bar right where that picture shows the flake/crack . . . .

BUT THATS JUST ONE SIDE OF THINGS

I've been thinking for 5 yrs at least, about  cutting a 4 inch diameter, thick vine/weed that is killing trees, that crosses the coolest . . 5.3+ , you've ever seen.
It's at my own private Idaho, I've kept the secret for more than 20 years
 I cant do a single move from the ground, anymore, its a single wall like a gym, very short, 40 feet  flat at the bottom & top.
If it were to get mobbed the neighborhood would  have the parking closed. or worse have the "open Space Posted & patroled.

 I know where the best quality stone sits abandoned by all climbers in 3 states
(^High quality,Solid stone with old rurps., pins & bolts.)
What is the best thing to do?When I once posted to this data base the result was the trashing of anchors, garbage left at the crag, and an un-happy land owner.

When you’re scared of other people but can’t stop yourself from spraying about the 5.10 ledgy choss pile you put up.

Now that I've had my morning dose of spray.......

Lame

Kelley Gilleran wrote: (Insert fart noise here)

Thppppppppppppppppppppp.

looks 5.7 to me...

Ledgy limestone in the southern California is splitter and serious business. This should be shared with everyone on mountain project to experience. Now the suspense is killing me and will have to go exploring  until I find this "secret gem"

LOL, you make Jeffry Constine seem humble by comparison. And that's pretty hard to do.

Joe De Luca wrote:...should I keep it secret? Nevermind I just answered my own question  I'll keep it all to myself  I hate seeing my climbing areas get trashed. Just all you sport climbers  realize  that there is a major  20 + pitch sport route  on excellent Rock  hidden  from the crowds.

You should keep it a secret, probably stay off MP for a bit so you can knock out all those lines. If you hate seeing your climbing area's get trashed maybe you should look to be a bigger proponent of clean up as opposed to establishing new routes and spraying for an ego stroke. Pretty petty, best of luck on your development. I hope sincerely your secret spot is never discovered, and none of your lines ever repeated.  

Joe De Luca wrote:...put up ground up stance bolting baby 

The is the qualifier of a world class line that inspires everyone. 

You don't own the rock, make it public

Dangle Dave wrote: You don't own the rock, make it public

Dave come on, they are his climbing areas.

"...I hate seeing my climbing areas get trashed..."

sick spray duche bro

Name of route is: t(-_-t)

You lost me at "goes 5.12..."   

Matt Pierce wrote: You lost me at "goes 5.12..."   

I don't know... it does look like 5.7 to me.

Spray Lord Douche Mcgee can say whatever the hell he wants.. It's HIS rock!!!

Followers should have hammered the hangers flat on their way up

the  20+  pitch count its rahter interesting, I only mention this because of your statement about the lacking ethics of modern day climbers. I cant speak for everyone, but the ethic in the circle I run with is to minimize drilling and we help to achieve this by climbing to the full extent of our modern ropes (when possible), therefor minimizing drilling by reducing unneeded belay anchors.
perhaps I am preaching nonsense and you guys discovered bigger limestone walls that what were thought to be the biggest limestone bigwalls in the lower 48(House Range, Ut).

what is the hole count on the route?