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Micah Klesick
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Dec 31, 2014
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Charlotte, NC
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 3,971
Hey, so I've been going through organizing Smith Rock routes into correct L-R order, and cleaning up incorrect info (as much as I know), and trying to organize the areas. Does anyone have any good ideas on what might be a good way to group the Smith Rock crags together to make the front page a little easier to navigate? I placed all the Basalt crags into one crag, called "Basalt Crags (All)", and then you can access Rim Rock, Lower and Upper crag sections from there. I also created a map that shows a general overview of the main walls. Fire away!
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Jon Rhoderick
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Jan 1, 2015
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OR
· Joined Jul 2009
· Points: 966
Could you clarify why you grouped these crags together? While they are all made of the same rock, they have very different styles, different approaches, and are spaced much farther apart than the entire frontside. You could organize the tuff crags into frontside, backside, red wall, monument area, & marsupials, but I prefer the way it was with everything on the front page just 1 click away. If you do want to reorganize, it would make sense if the site organization was similar to Watts' order in the guidebook.
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Micah Klesick
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Jan 1, 2015
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Charlotte, NC
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 3,971
That's why I'm asking. I'm not sure what the best way to do it, or if it should even be done at all. But I've gotten several emails from users saying that it's confusing if you aren't a local, and I can see why. So this is more to see what ideas are out there. I'm not set on any one way or idea.
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Jon Rhoderick
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Jan 1, 2015
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OR
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· Points: 966
Thanks for putting the time into it Micah! I'm all for a reorganization if it helps people out
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Micah Klesick
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Jan 1, 2015
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Charlotte, NC
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 3,971
So I organized the areas in the same order as Watt's book. Since MP does not have the ability to simply organize areas, I did it using (a), (b) and so on. Let me know any thoughts or comments on that method. Its more organized and easier to use, but I'm not sure if the letters detract from it. Thoughts?
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Nick Wilder
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Jan 1, 2015
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Boulder, CO
· Joined Jan 2005
· Points: 4,098
In general, if there is a well-written, definitive guidebook to an area (like I think the Watts book is here, but I'm not a local), it's best to match the book. This makes it easy for people to compare the book to the MP site/app, which is very common.
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Sam Beeduhl
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Jan 1, 2015
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Bend, OR
· Joined Sep 2012
· Points: 443
I don't understand why you need to add the letters when they're already in order? The Watt's guide starts at Picnic Lunch and then goes R-L through the main area, around the smith rock group, around the back side and over misery ridge. Then it goes L-R, kinda, out through monument and marsupials and then the gorge (basalt). Also, I second keeping the existing areas un-grouped. There is no reason to group them further, it only means you have to click more times and would result in illogical groupings. I know that Mountain Project has been trying to organize itself more and this is great, but this only makes sense if someone with local knowledge is supplying the info. Arbitrarily grouping climbs/areas just for the sake of grouping doesn't make sense.
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Sam Beeduhl
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Jan 1, 2015
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Bend, OR
· Joined Sep 2012
· Points: 443
Also, I second that the "basalt crags" heading should definitely be broken up. These crags all accessed from totally different places and all are very different in what they offer. It would be similar to putting half dome and el cap in the same folder because they both offer granite big wall routes. Hiking to the upper gorge is about as far as you can go in Smith and climb established routes. The northern point is the closest crag to a parking space in the park. The lower gorge is the best trad climbing at smith but the northern point is short bolted routes that are mostly used as funky TR problems, they are barely long enough to justify a rope. If someone heard that there was good basalt trad climbing at smith and went to the northern point they would be pretty annoyed with the waste of time. It would also be like grouping the bouldering at the base of the chief and the multi-pitch routes on the chief in the same folder for squamish. Totally different climbing. The category should be split into northern point, lower gorge and upper gorge in my opinion; or into rimrock, lower gorge and upper gorge per the watts guide.
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Micah Klesick
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Jan 1, 2015
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Charlotte, NC
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 3,971
Nick, I organized the areas to match the guide. Sam, the only reason the routes are in the correct order is because I added the letters before. Otherwise, it is sorted by alphabetical order base on the area name. The areas were NOT sorted before I added the letters. That is the only way to sort areas on MP, at this time. There's enough input that I'll switch the basalt crags back. I felt that putting them into one group made it easy to see where the basalt crags are in the mix. When I go to smith (15-20 times a year, so while I'm not a daily local, I have climbed on almost all the main crags), I either climb basalt or tuff, so that made sense to me to split them that way. But I'll pull them out and organize them in the order they are in Watts book.
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