Time for a Trad rack!

Wow...right on queue even. You'd be hard pressed to find these sorts of posts on here from me.

I wasn't saying I do it, but that it is done. The bit with cams sharing biners is done especially when aid climbing when you've got tons of gear on you because there just isn't enough space to have everything one it's own biner, nor do you want to carry that much weight, it's slower, but more efficiently uses the gear you carry.

Anyways, that's why some people carry "free biners" not attached to anything, you don't have to do it that way.

Larry S wrote:I wasn't saying I do it, but that it is done. The bit with cams sharing biners is done especially when aid climbing when you've got tons of gear on you because there just isn't enough space to have everything one it's own biner, nor do you want to carry that much weight, it's slower, but more efficiently uses the gear you carry. Anyways, that's why some people carry "free biners" not attached to anything, you don't have to do it that way.

I understand you Larry hehe

its all kind of an uninteresting thread except for brad saying I was condemning somebody. CONDEMN. Its like I'm some ordained priest and not just some guy posting his 2c on a climbing forum ha

5.samadhi wrote: I understand you Larry hehe its all kind of an uninteresting thread except for brad saying I was condemning somebody. CONDEMN. Its like I'm some ordained priest and not just some guy posting his 2c on a climbing forum ha

eh, I think everyone overreacted a little bit.

To have it make a little more sense, racking cams and gear together is a bit of a legacy thing, If you look back in older photos to see what they were carrying and how it'll make more sense. Also, remember, no modern lightweight stuff. And if you've got a very limited amount of gear (or $), it's the most flexible way to use it, it's a more minimalist mentality.

Having recently moved to CO from the Southeast, I'll add my 2c:

1) I can't think of any routes under 5.10 that you will need/want brass for. Not saying they don't exist, I just can't think of any. Likewise, I can't think of any routes under 5.10 that you will need/want cams smaller than blue alien / purple TCU. Also, given that you're new at placing gear, I wouldn't be falling on anything smaller than that either.

2) Nuts are your friend, especially on moderate routes. The first thing I did when I moved to CO was double up on the medium size nuts (roughly #5-9 BD stoppers). Pair this with a single rack of cams and you're good to go on most stuff. Occasionally you may want doubles in a particular size but you can probably borrow those.

3) Tricams are sweet in eldo (pink and red) but not necessary. The only other place I use them is RMNP.

4) I don't own any hexes, but occasionally I borrow some for routes in RMNP rather than bringing extra cams. Definitely not necessary.

5) Lots of long slings for wandering routes.

Ryan Watts wrote:Having recently moved to CO from the Southeast, I'll add my 2c: 1) I can't think of any routes under 5.10 that you will need/want brass for. Not saying they don't exist, I just can't think of any. Likewise, I can't think of any routes under 5.10 that you will need/want cams smaller than blue alien / purple TCU. Also, given that you're new at placing gear, I wouldn't be falling on anything smaller than that either. 2) Nuts are your friend, especially on moderate routes. The first thing I did when I moved to CO was double up on the medium size nuts (roughly #5-9 BD stoppers). Pair this with a single rack of cams and you're good to go on most stuff. Occasionally you may want doubles in a particular size but you can probably borrow those. 3) Tricams are sweet in eldo (pink and red) but not necessary. The only other place I use them is RMNP. 4) I don't own any hexes, but occasionally I borrow some for routes in RMNP rather than bringing extra cams. Definitely not necessary. 5) Lots of long slings for wandering routes.

Spot on. Extra nuts, brass for 10 and harder routes, and don't bother with tricams.

THis may have been mentioned already, but with respect to the original post:

You don't need 12 quick draws, in addition to the 18 "alpine draws" you describe. Leave the quick draws out of the trad mix.