What do you carry peak bagging

Mike N wrote:Picture

+1 Jealous. Snow missed us here in CNY and I am getting the itch...

He also carried a copper axe, flint knife, multiple tools-- an apparent gearhead. Stomach full of ibex meat and ancient wheat at time of death (from head trauma and arrow wound).

copied from wiki:Ötzi's clothes were sophisticated. He wore a cloak made of woven grass[21] and a coat, a belt, a pair of leggings, a loincloth and shoes, all made of leather of different skins. He also wore a bearskin cap with a leather chin strap. The shoes were waterproof and wide, seemingly designed for walking across the snow; they were constructed using bearskin for the soles, deer hide for the top panels, and a netting made of tree bark. Soft grass went around the foot and in the shoe and functioned like modern socks. The coat, belt, leggings and loincloth were constructed of vertical strips of leather sewn together with sinew. His belt had a pouch sewn to it that contained a cache of useful items: a scraper, drill, flint flake, bone awl and a dried fungus.

The shoes have since been reproduced by a Czech academic, who said that "because the shoes are actually quite complex, I'm convinced that even 5,300 years ago, people had the equivalent of a cobbler who made shoes for other people". The reproductions were found to constitute such excellent footwear that it was reported that a Czech company offered to purchase the rights to sell them.[22] However, a more recent hypothesis by British archaeologist Jacqui Wood says that Ötzi's "shoes" were actually the upper part of snowshoes. According to this theory, the item currently interpreted as part of a 'backpack' is actually the wood frame and netting of one snowshoe and animal hide to cover the face.[1]

And look how well it worked out for him...

Too soon? ;)

He made it to age 45 or so, plus he had Lyme disease, whipworm, bad teeth and lots of enemies, and over 40 tattoos. sounds like he worked hard played hard and left an exceptional corpse.

What is your favorite/best thermos?

coop wrote:What is your favorite/best thermos?

One I got for "free" from Green Mountain Coffee Roasters for signing up for the caffeine addict club. ~.5L thin job with a basic screw on top and small cup. Metal body and double vaccum flask. It is Thermos brand and I've had good luck so far. This bad boy (but in GMCR green)

i wear leather boots, a wool flannel, snowboarding pants, and carry a flask of whiskey. generally works for me!

coop wrote:What is your favorite/best thermos?

Thermos brand makes a spill-proof, stainless steel model called the Nissan that comes in 16 or 32 fl oz sizes. Keeps my coffee hot for the entire day.

+1 to the mylar foil blanket (a little noisy, but better than freezing)

johnL wrote:I hate the term peak bagging. It's glorifying walking up a mountain in shitty conditions. The English have the proper term, Hill Walking. Peak bagging is an insecure American way of saying the same.

And yet they make a whole bloody film about some git what walked up a hill and came down a mountain. Peak bagging glorifies the activity? It seems like a pretty inconsequential way to put it. What about conquering mountains? Just like Ned Beatty says in Deliverance. "We beat that didn't we?"

"You don't beat the rivah. You don't beat it."

Beatty frowns.

Nathan Stokes wrote: what people carry for winter day trips:

So while on approach my set up is as follows for a warm days above 20F; if its cooler than I put on a fleece layer while hiking.

In pack:
50 L pack
8 Ice screws
4 draws 4 screamers
1 or 2 60m ropes depending on the routs we are planning to climb
harness
anchor building slings (for trees) and V thread cord with a few rap rings
belay device
ice tools (nomics)
Crampons
wind stopper jacket
fleece pullover
hard shell
two pair of gortex climbing gloves 1 pair of fatty belay mittens.
2 L water and food
helmet

Wearing:

top and bottom smart wool base layer
insinuated pants
water proof pant
gaiters
wool socks
La Sprotiva Trango extreme boots
wool mix hat
$10 Coscto gloves.
Polarized sun glasses

screamers = useless

superkick wrote:screamers = useless

That may be, but seeing one of those on a ice screw in hollow shit ice gives me a warm fuzzy feeling; enough to keep mw=e climbing any way. I feel that if they ease the mental crux its good enough.

for day trips such as Mt hood.

26-30L pack:
foam pad as frame
2 quarts water or 1 quart and stove depending on weather and route
down or synthetic puffy
snacks
map and compass
small first aid kit
BD guide gloves
W/B shell
sunglasses
sunscreen

Wearing:
mammut champ pants
smart wool mt socks
merino wool T-shirt
Patagonia R1 hoody
Helmet
Boots (one from the quiver depending on route and weather)

If longer trip overnight such as Rainier add:
40B NWD pack to replace smaller one
sleeping bag
3/4 thermarest
stove and fuel (jet boil)
little bit of food
Tent maybe

and for both
crampons
Ice axe or tools
with friends rope and pro

screamers are just extra weight to be carrying... and honestly never heard of anyone using them in mountaineering. Ice climbign fine (if thats your thing)... but mountaineering no.

You know the saying if you bring bivy gear youll probably end up bivying? Same logic applies to screamers imo... youre probably going to fall.

superkick wrote:screamers are just extra weight to be carrying... and honestly never heard of anyone using them in mountaineering. Ice climbign fine (if thats your thing)... but mountaineering no. You know the saying if you bring bivy gear youll probably end up bivying? Same logic applies to screamers imo... youre probably going to fall.

I guess it depends of what you are doing... for me mountaineering is more than a hike in the snow up a hill. I useally pick routs that end up with a pitch or two of WI 4-5 climbing. SO I feel that screamers are usefull for those marginal ice screws or small stopper placements when the ice is too thin for screws.

here ya go some light reading.
montanaice.com/iceguide/gal…

superkick wrote:screamers are just extra weight to be carrying... and honestly never heard of anyone using them in mountaineering. Ice climbign fine (if thats your thing)... but mountaineering no. You know the saying if you bring bivy gear youll probably end up bivying? Same logic applies to screamers imo... youre probably going to fall.

Lots of people use them in the PNW mountaineering including me though I didn't have any photos.

a photo from cascadeclimbers.com
from member YcoumRidge

Jeff J wrote: I guess it depends of what you are doing... for me mountaineering is more than a hike in the snow up a hill. I useally pick routs that end up with a pitch or two of WI 4-5 climbing. SO I feel that screamers are usefull for those marginal ice screws or small stopper placements when the ice is too thin for screws. here ya go some light reading. montanaice.com/iceguide/gal…

Come on who really considers hiking up a snow covered hill mountaineering ;) Seriously though, screamers are useless imo. If you feel you need that "added mental safety" of a screamer to get up a route, you shouldnt be climbing that route, because you clearly lack the confidence to do so. If you dont fall (which you never should) screamers server no purpose. They are just extra weight. useless.

Mark Twight recommends screamers.

Whiskey

What Would Mark Twight Do?