A note to newbies

That last post was Lame:

Lame1
adj
1.Doesnt Matter
2.doesnt matter
3. weak; unconvincing a lame excuse

Just adding fuel to the fire. :-) it is the internet after all.

He was lame

He was lame
as a three legged dog
screamed as he came
through the fog

If you are the Light
give me a light
buddy

-Leonard Cohen

Mike McHugh wrote: Loren - What areas have been shut down solely because of climber injuries or deaths? (Truly, just a question - I have no idea)

Gibraltar Rock, WI.

Beat me to it Doug. Was it actually a climber that was killed/injured or just some dumb ass drunk that fell off the top?

Nick Rhoads wrote:Beat me to it Doug. Was it actually a climber that was killed/injured or just some dumb ass drunk that fell off the top?

A climber from the Green Bay area. His name escapes me at the moment, but he was one of the people who worked hardest to try get it reopened before we finally gave up. And of all the rescues and recoveries at Gibralter, he was probably the *only* climber.

Three pages into this thread...and we STILL don't know if the guy had a bowl-cut. Get with the program already, eh!

Dr. Ellis D. Funnythoughts wrote:That last post was Lame: Lame1 adj 1.Doesnt Matter 2.doesnt matter 3. weak; unconvincing a lame excuse Just adding fuel to the fire. :-) it is the internet after all.

Excuse for what?

Petz Pretz wrote: Take no offense...the dictionary (pretty much all of them, well...ya, all of them) list as usually the third or fourth definition of the word 'lame' as follows: lame adj. lam·er, lam·est 1. Disabled so that movement, especially walking, is difficult or impossible: Lame from the accident, he walked with a cane. A lame wing kept the bird from flying. 2. Marked by pain or rigidness: a lame back. 3. Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory: a lame attempt to apologize; lame excuses for not arriving on time. ( thefreedictionary.com/lame) lame1 adj 1. (Medicine / Pathology) disabled or crippled in the legs or feet 2. painful or weak a lame back 3. weak; unconvincing a lame excuse 4. not effective or enthusiastic a lame try 5. US slang conventional or uninspiring (american heritage) (Kernerman multilingual) Ineffectual, unsatisfactory, unacceptable. With all due respect for adversity you faced (authentic or troll), and without malintention, yes lame was the word I meant to use. (meaning is found by the reader in the context when words have multiple definitions...sorry that you were confused by it)

I know this is a late response (sorry, I've been on the road), but the moronic inability of many mountainprodgers to grasp any sort of sarcasm or satire is some of the highest on the internet.

Should I post the definition of "Sarcasm" or "gullible" for you?

This thread needs to be renewed immediately with some quality content. And by quality, I mean more a-some pictures of dudes toproping boulder problems and/or stories about bowlcuts. If this doesn't happen, I will resign my account.

petz- you're right making fun of style (or lack there of) is pretty silly. can't you agree that whining about 'newbies' being a liability is silly as well? I think 80% of the time that people bitch about new climbers fucking up it is really an attempt to distance themselves from that stage of the learning process, seldom are they genuinely frustrated by the 'liability.'

Maybe we can all see a new climber junk-showing as an opportunity to help and not a liability. there are lots of threads on my, like the bowl-cut thread and this one that i think sort of promote a distance between the almighty mpers and the 'n00bs'. does anyone else feel like this word is fucking stupid?

the other day i saw a girl starting off route on into an unprotectable corner and mentioned that she might be off route and she might want to start 20 feet to her left. she was understanding and grateful, it was truly a positive experience for all. Yeah i giggled a bit but also understood where she was on the learning curve.

josh- this is a pointless thread but we are all rock climbers and rock climbing is a pointless activity. i also think that leaders of all grades should be able to talk shit. by the way, i forgot to update my mp profile but i just tredpointed my 4 year 9+ proj. if you find yourself in bozeman you should pm me so we can go climb rocks together. seriously. all internet bickering aside lest go rock climbing.

william miller wrote: Secondly if you have ever climbed on stuff next to lakes and such you would realize that wave action has a tendency to polish rock so those "jugs" you describe are all polished smooth.

Wave action eroding a boulder until polished... From a lake? Must be one heck of a lake.

this has to be a troll no?

Ice4life wrote: Wave action eroding a boulder until polished... From a lake? Must be one heck of a lake. this has to be a troll no?

Ever been to the Great Lakes? Superior especially is nasty sometimes! (See: Edmund Fitzgerald) They're basically exactly like oceans without the tides. In fact, when I first saw the ocean (I live in Michigan), it was rather underwhelming as it looked exactly like the Great Lakes, just dirtier.

Kestrel Lowing wrote: Ever been to the Great Lakes? Superior especially is nasty sometimes! (See: Edmund Fitzgerald) They're basically exactly like oceans without the tides. In fact, when I first saw the ocean (I live in Michigan), it was rather underwhelming as it looked exactly like the Great Lakes, just dirtier.

This is pretty misleading. The great lakes don't even come close to the oceans in terms of waves. And I'm pretty sure they do have tides.

Edit: OK, I guess they don't have tides. But seriously, who isn't impressed by the oceans?! That's like saying the Himalaya aren't impressive after seeing the Rockies!

Tom Mulholland wrote: This is pretty misleading. The great lakes don't even come close to the oceans in terms of waves. And I'm pretty sure they do have tides. Edit: OK, I guess they don't have tides. But seriously, who isn't impressed by the oceans?! That's like saying the Himalaya aren't impressive after seeing the Rockies!

Who the fuck cares? You guys are obviously missing the entire point to this thread. I want to see more sweet bouldering/top-rope pictures, NOW.

alleyehave wrote:I want to see more sweet bouldering/top-rope pictures, NOW.

Me too. I was pretty disappointed when William took his pics down. Lame.

--Marc

Either way, we should be Wanging Chun tonight.

Mark Roth wrote:Did he have a bowl cut?

Ha

Tom Mulholland wrote: This is pretty misleading. The great lakes don't even come close to the oceans in terms of waves. And I'm pretty sure they do have tides. Edit: OK, I guess they don't have tides. But seriously, who isn't impressed by the oceans?! That's like saying the Himalaya aren't impressive after seeing the Rockies!

If you haven't been to the Great Lakes, they really do look exactly like the ocean. You can't tell the difference, especially if it's a calmer day (I've only seen the ocean something like 4 times and I believe it's been calm all those times.) As far as your eye can see, you see only water. You cannot see any more due to the horizon. There's nothing you can do to determine that the Great Lakes are quite a bit smaller than the oceans. Your eyes just can't do that.

Obviously the oceans can be much rougher, but the Great Lakes can get rougher than most would imagine (thunderstorms are AWESOME!). Basically, I'm just saying that lakes can get rough, if suitably large.

To continue veering completely off the OP's thought, Tom, the Great Lakes do have tides. Swimming pools have tides, they're just infintesially small. I think Superior has a tide around 1 inch or so (sorry, science geek coming out. And to my fellow nerdlings, yes, I realize that lakes can't have tides by definition, but the gravitionational pull of the moon does have an effect).
Kestrel - it's the period, not waveheight that matters (in terms of being on the water in a strom), therefore yes, the Great Lakes have some mother#$%#$ of storms. I was sailing in the swell left over from a hurricane coming back from Bermuda with 15-20' waves, and it was cake, because theywere such slow rollers. The Great Lakes, being so shallow, keep smashing into the boat. I've seen videos of storms on the great lakes that give me serious pucker factor.

To the OP - Ummm, "kettle, there's a pot on line two, something about you being black..."