Fixed line bootyed/stolen from Bongeater...

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that's a huge bummer. Hope it shows up.

ummm,....

that sucks

guideline #1 is staring me in the face.

What is a semi static rope? Irrevelant.

Anyway, I hope you get your rope back, however... unless there was a note attached to it or something, I probably would have taken it too. I'd give it back though if I saw your post.

Question: If you left it coiled on top, you had to go to the top of the route each time anyway to throw it down... if that is the case, why did you leave your rope there if it was so valuable to you? So you didn't have to carry an extra 10 pounds each time? I am confused. But I still hope you get it back.

Also, you realize that the elements and animals can do damage to a rope left outside right? So, there again, the question of how much you "valued" it seems weird.

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Ian N. wrote:I left it because I figured it would be nice for other motivated climbers who may have trouble finding partners for whatever reason to have a resource to utilize. It's nice to know you can go climbing alone anytime even if you don't have your own static line, whipping onto your gri-gri will destroy a dynamic line quickly. It's really quite a common practice to leave lines fixed for solo climbing during the off season.

Not really common, nor suggested, to do here, IMHO.

I use a gri gri on a dynamic line all the time and have never destroyed a rope...but...that's another topic.

Seems like you were trying to provide a public service, but, I guess I'd say thanks, but, no thanks. We really should be cleaning up after ourselves. Not sure the forest service, who was along for the trail project there last year, would think it was cool to leave a rope on top of Bongeater. In fact, my bet is that they'd want it removed. Plus, once the weather, elements, critters, other climbers trashed that rig, and you get displaced and/or are unable to go clean up the rope, then someone will have to haul it down for you.

Not that far a hike. Easy to just carry a rope up there every time.

The unlittered rock is resource enough! I would have carried it down myself, not to keep, but, for clean up.

Cheers and I hope you get your rope back.

I'd tend to agree with everyone else. I would have probably taken the line as well and returned it if I figured out whose it was. Fixed lines are typically frowned upon in most areas. There have been tons of "fixed gear" discussions already, so I won't go into that. To me, it's just trash littering our crags.

See the stashed pads in rocky mountain national park thread for a similar example of what happens when everyone starts stashing stuff.

mountainproject.com/v/color…

I also wouldn't climb on a rope that's been sitting outside for who knows how long. That's just me though.

I also don't agree with your gri-gri statement. Take a gri-gri whipper onto a static line and let me know how that plays out. I'm also not even sure how any whipper would ever be involved with TR rope solos.

Just my 2 cents.

Wow... tough crowd.

Hope you get your rope back.

Give him a break, he doesn't need an ethics or safety lesson. Who hasn't left a fixed line at some point? Yeah, unlike in Yo-topia, it may not be a great idea here in Wasangeles. However, he just wants his rope back.

P.S. How many of you are running solo laps on Bongeater mid-winter?

no kidding. give the guy back his rope.

Finders keepers.

I can only guess that this is the Ian I saw playing on Bong Eater last fall... the same one I first encountered in Ferguson a few years ago when he was soloing Extreme Unction....

Ya know... for that kid to need a rope on that climb says something about the climb itself. It's a serious climb, even for someone who solos into the 11's (which he's said he does, and I would be inclined to believe).

Yo dude, whoever "cleaned" his rope+gear... just get it back to him. He probably solos harder than you climb to begin with anyway.

...not that this is deserving of your "respect", but to say that he'll probably out-climb you ten ways to Sunday given the chance.

mikewhite wrote: Finders keepers.

Fuck You, Mike. He solos harder than I've seen you lead. :)

I'm in St. George tonight, sitting on the patio in shorts wet from the hot tub. :p

We're doing the UMTS overlay... can you say "OT"?

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Ian if you don't get your rope back. Let me know and I will hook you up with one. (brand new)

Just help me out this season with some rebolting.

mikewhite wrote: Ian if you don't get your rope back. Let me know and I will hook you up with one. (brand new) Just help me out this season with some rebolting.

he's good on that, Ian.

you'd learn a lot about bolts by following that guy around too,.

just make sure you don't bring your entire stash. He'd make it disappear as quick as a Leeper+star-drive, only better...

...or maybe worse, cause afterwards you'd be left with nothin (in your bowl hole), rather than a nice new ASCA bolt+hanger fillin that hole.

Ian N. wrote:...

Welcome to Mtn Project Ian...

Ian:

Why are you deleting posts?

I would have left the rope where is was...Why? because it's not mine...pretty clear and simple.

I saw that rope coiled up on top affixed to the anchors with locking draws few weeks ago. I then went up a few days later and it was gone. I then returned a week later and it had re-appeared. Now its stolen? What gives? I don't think you should have left it without almost expecting it to disappear. Also it was a good point that you had to climb around the side to drop the rope anyways, so why not just set it up each time? Furthermore it is quite foolish, even straight up dangerous to rope solo with a gri-gri on a static line. Static ropes are not, nor were ever designed to experience the forces that can be quickly generated in even a short fall while rope soloing. I hope you get the rope back too, but perhaps the best lessons are the most difficult to accept.

I guess you learned your lesson Ian, don't post here looking for help unless you want an ear full.

To be clear he was TOP ROPE soloing, not rope soloing, on a semi-static line which IS(sort of) a dynamic rope with low static elongation and high impact force(not a full on static rope). This is a acceptable application, cut him some slack.

I hope you got your rope back.

In fact don't take it from me, go to Joe Brown's website

joe-brown.com/selecting-equ…

read under the header "semi static ropes" at the bottom

CalmAdrenaline wrote:Wow, just reading through this post again, some of you guys are assholes.

assholes that carry ropes up short hills that is. how far is the bong from the parking lot? personally if I saw a rope up there 2 or 3 weeks in a row sitting out I would have taken it and posted it here on the lost an found as well as the IME board. maybe someone did put it on the board at IME or who knows, REI, BD, Kirkhams...