When did MP become the new rockclimbing.com?

So I've been reading countless threads about people complaining about routes, and getting bent over this and that. Seems to me every one of these threads have resorted to name calling and putting people down. If this continues this site will be no better than the countless others (of which I'm a part of) that act childish, and resort to political rants, and pictures of non climbing related matter. Currently the most ridiculous things I've read have to do with Tonnere Tower and Bolting a new line on Castle Rock. These threads are just way outta hand for this site IMO. This site is where I come to be a serious climber, and have always treated this site with higher regard. I go to other stupid sites to rant and waste time (my username is the same if you wanna see for yourself). Does anybody question people before they make public accusations? If I were being accused (guilty or not) I'd be pretty pissed off that someone didn't just try to talk to me first. Maybe some of you did, I don't know.
Thanks to the site landlord for sticking to terms of service and being neutral, that's very professional of you.
And thanks to those who are working on their time and their dime to establish routes for everyone. Without getting into the matters discussed in the fore mentioned topics, I appreciate your intentions and hard work.

my $.02
-Micah Salazar
Proud American

agreed
The nice thing about this site is that it does such an effective job of separating discussion with comments. The comments on the routes should continue to be just that and we willhave the information and anything pertinent. The admin people seem to realize this and clear off the name calling in the comments.

Right on, Micah! To those of you who regularly engage in less-than-polite ranting (and you know who you are ;-), please do not turn MP into another RC. I for one want to continue enjoying this awesome site for all the reasons that put MP well above the others.

I agree

try to be thoughtful when you post....

I enjoy this site for its information and insightful commentary by members

but in the end.....maybe trivial is in the eye of the beholder(s)

True.

MP.com is like National Geographic; RC.com is like National Enquirer.

I come here for mature, infomative beta; I go RC.com to laugh at the countless pissing match threads.

Keep up the good work guys and gals.

Nick Stayner wrote:Some of the threads here deteriorate into egotistic pissing matches. At least this site still lacks the hordes of inarticulate, thoughtless drivel that plauges RC.com (knock on wood)!

If that's your opinion of RC.com, you really need to visit boldering.com sometime.

Curt

Curt Shannon wrote: If that's your opinion of RC.com, you really need to visit boldering.com sometime. Curt

Depravity at it's finest.....or worst......or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Give me a break, I do not find the people on here to be any different than rc.com in most circumstances, there are only less people around here to post flame on a less consistent basis! I've never understood this MP superiority mindset. Using your 'real name' on here doesn't matter; it doesn't change anything about people's behavior b/c they are still just as removed from their actions. This has been my observation.

I do find rc.com more entertaining than MP. Although I definitely like route beta and comments on MP much more. I like that one can submit larger file sizes of photos too!

Oh, feel free to now flame me. I can handle...er, ignore it. ;-)

Micah,

I think I'd have to disagree with some of your thoughts on what is being discussed about Boulder Canyon; the same thing gets discussed about Eldo, S. Platte, & Wasatch to name some other examples.

There is a responsibilty on our end to address conservation & recreation -- disagreements/differences of opinion are going to be addressed. I'd rather it be here; though I don't like the namecalling & personal attack crap either.

If I disagreed with you, would that make me any less an American? Don't really understand why you tagged yourself like that.

Eyes Of Green wrote: Oh, feel free to now flame me. I can handle...er, ignore it. ;-)

(Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.) I think someone not using their real name is lame and the fact that they choose not to after it was suggested that they do, says a lot. I don't buy the "trying to protect myself and my job" excuse either. No one is going to stalk them from MP.com and don't post at work if it is a problem. It doesn't really matter in the end, it is just weak sauce.

real name=back bone, just a thought.

I use mountain project because it absorbed tucsonclimbers.com(can't remember the exact domain now) a couple years back.

I just think the organization of beta here is much easier to sort through over RC.com.

Joey Wolfe wrote: (Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.) I think someone not using their real name is lame and the fact that they choose not to after it was suggested that they do, says a lot. I don't buy the "trying to protect myself and my job" excuse either. No one is going to stalk them from MP.com and don't post at work if it is a problem. It doesn't really matter in the end, it is just weak sauce. real name=back bone, just a thought.

Or, an alias/alter ego is a fun and creative way to put yourself out there, eh. There are more ways to be transparent than by first name alone. The people who need to know your name already do or soon will.

Anyway, I stick by my observation that jerks still post with the same manners whether they go by an alias or the name that appears on their IRS forms.

I would suggest that the people who rant read Dale Carnage's "How to win friends and influence people". Rule #1 "Nobody wins an argument". The only resultant you achieve is getting others pissed off. Arguing does not invoke change. So all the ranters "What is the point"? I always have found that people who rant all the time tend to lead unfulfilled shallow existences. I could be wrong but that's another argument.

If your climbing experience is reduced to going crazy over a bolt. Please get a life. I climb for the freedom and the sense of adventure. Throwing yourself into the unknown and surviving. Being part of something greater than myself. Escaping the mundane reality of a daily life behind a desk. Climbing is moving art, mystery and expression in the highest form. For us who's being is climbing, we share a unique bond. A brotherhood of unsaid realities that only climbers can relate too. If you want to rant about something just google "politics". That will keep even the most steadfast busy for a millennium. But please do not reduce such a beautiful sport to petty squabbling. Just go climbing.

Charlie Perry wrote: If your climbing experience is reduced to going crazy over a bolt. Please get a life. I climb for the freedom and the sense of adventure. Throwing yourself into the unknown and surviving. Being part of something greater than myself. Escaping the mundane reality of a daily life behind a desk. Climbing is moving art, mystery and expression in the highest form. For us who's being is climbing, we share a unique bond. A brotherhood of unsaid realities that only climbers can relate too. If you want to rant about something just google "politics". That will keep even the most steadfast busy for a millennium. But please do not reduce such a beautiful sport to petty squabbling. Just go climbing.

Well said!

Eyes Of Green wrote: Anyway, I stick by my observation that jerks still post with the same manners whether they go by an alias or the name that appears on their IRS forms.

I agree with you to an extent. Yes, the person will still post with the same intentions but it seems that they think a little more about how to word their opinion when their real name is next to it i.e. they clean up their language and hold off on the cut downs. ( i walked a fine line in my previous post, I know)

I'll use my post above as an example, I do think it is lame to use a "alter ego", but i didn't say you were lame for doing it. And then make a bunch of jokes at your expense(like i see on RC.com). I'm sure you are a fun person to go climbing with and i only want to vent my frustration with "alter egos"

I watched a show on public access recently that made me think about MP.com and when these threads get out of hand. They were talking about how a large part of our communication is done with our faces and body language. That when we have conversations/discussions like this one it is hard to know exactly what the other person really means because we can't see their face. So I wouldn't take anything too personally on these threads, the person getting you all worked up could just have a passing interest in the subject.

Like you said.....I can handle...er, ignore it. ;-)

Charlie - what a great description of climbing! Thanks, we should all take your advice: "Just go climbing."

Don't make me get all Dr.Kodos on your ass.

Charlie Perry wrote:I would suggest that the people who rant read Dale Carnage's "How to win friends and influence people". Rule #1 "Nobody wins an argument". The only resultant you achieve is getting others pissed off. Arguing does not invoke change. So all the ranters "What is the point"? I always have found that people who rant all the time tend to lead unfulfilled shallow existences. I could be wrong but that's another argument. If your climbing experience is reduced to going crazy over a bolt. Please get a life. I climb for the freedom and the sense of adventure. Throwing yourself into the unknown and surviving. Being part of something greater than myself. Escaping the mundane reality of a daily life behind a desk. Climbing is moving art, mystery and expression in the highest form. For us who's being is climbing, we share a unique bond. A brotherhood of unsaid realities that only climbers can relate too. If you want to rant about something just google "politics". That will keep even the most steadfast busy for a millennium. But please do not reduce such a beautiful sport to petty squabbling. Just go climbing.

Charlie, rad words. Sometimes it is hard to understand (and relate to other people) why we climb. That paragraph sums it up beautifully.

I think Why we climb....? deserves its own thread! And hopefully Charlie doesn't mind me starting it with his great words.

So what are you guys going to do if you are out there doing the FA on "Tis-sa-ack" and your honery partner is yelling down for a pin. You send it up and he mutters, "Fucking great. Everything but what I need!"
(True History®®)

You learn here how to respond to that. You'll shout back up "STFU, nOOb and lead the fucking pitch!!!!" Poor Royal didn't have the benefit of the Internet to know what to say back then.

Mark Nelson wrote:Micah, I think I'd have to disagree with some of your thoughts on what is being discussed about Boulder Canyon; the same thing gets discussed about Eldo, S. Platte, & Wasatch to name some other examples. There is a responsibility on our end to address conservation & recreation -- disagreements/differences of opinion are going to be addressed. I'd rather it be here; though I don't like the namecalling & personal attack crap either. If I disagreed with you, would that make me any less an American? Don't really understand why you tagged yourself like that.

I don't think we're disagreeing all that much Mark,
I'm all for discussing things here. My point is that it got out of control (clearly stated as opinion) with all the name calling and generally rude comments. Personally, If I had a problem with the way a route was put for instance, I would like to think that I would PM the route setter and try to start a dialogue before publicly flaming someone who's heart is in the right place (again IMO). Disagree with me or not, if you're a citizen of the USA then I consider you an American. Addressing myself as such was clearly a spiteful reference to the specific threads I'm mentioned, I was just having a little fun;)

Charlie, great words. I love to discuss climbing, especially when i get back from climbing (incidentally enough, I just got back from tonnere tower). I would hate to see it reduced to anything less than what you so brilliantly explained. I know of 2 people that just don't want to climb anymore because of what they believe it's already been reduced to by other members of the climbing community.

Eyes Of Green wrote:Give me a break, I do not find the people on here to be any different than rc.com in most circumstances, there are only less people around here to post flame on a less consistent basis! I've never understood this MP superiority mindset

I think that's my point Eyes of Green, people here are behaving the same way. As far as the superiority of MP... I don't know where that came from, I guess part of my post was asking people if they think it's different, or if it's the same. Then I expressed my opinion... that I want MP to have a higher standard!