Climbers in Evergreen...

yea I just heard of rufus miller last night reading his old interview on front range bouldering. I would like to contact him if that's possible. Yes cindy the crags on witter are owned by dmp and hold the same policy as red rocks, and the ocelot, only these crags are even further away from the $hity and developed roads, so if you keep it low key your probly ok.

For all interested in what's happening with DMP policy, I would advise to get in contact with Mike Melanson & James Purcell who are working on the AF inquiry into the climbing policy. I believe they both have mp.com ids.

Mike is heading up the climbers; if you want to do anything, at least get on his e-mail group list for updates.

The CMC is also willing to help with conservation concerns for the Ocelot. It's an important cliff to maintain open climbing use. People have been using it for many decades, I was just a rugrat rapping with my stepdad when Marshdale Elem was built (in which my little bro brought me into the modern technical climbing here also), Allen Hill probably has some great lore, Alpine Rescue trains there annually and performs their MRA recert for high angle evacuations (which should be very important to all that climb around the S.Platte Spires, Buffalo Creek, & Evans Wilderness that Alpine be able to freely train on high angle).

I am really pleased that climbers have shown they DO give a damn about the DMP policy, for the past few years I thought I was just yelling into the wind. For the time being, get on Mike's e-mail group list. Thanks.

cameron wrote:Say, don't want to place this thread in reverse, but when did Ocelot become off-limits to climbers. . . and for what reasons exactly? It has been a few years since I climbed there last, but my buddy (local in area) and I were talking about hitting it up one of these weekends. . . . What gives?

Cameron: Here's a post I did about a year ago when mp.com was reviewing the S. Platte:

Ocelot (Hobbs Peak)

The whole idea of having mountain parks in the mountains and getting people out to enjoy their parks, but then prosecuting climbers for being in the mountains just rubs me the wrong way.

Steal the sign and take it home and build a fine coffee table. Then go climbing at Ocelot and plead ignorant if caught.

Regarding the bouldering at Alderfer/Three Sisters:

Circa 1999-2004 I bouldered at Three Sisters approx. once a week.
Although I really have no written beta, I know of hundreds of problems.
Scott Sills and myself established many problems prior to the Benningfield guide, many of which were not included in Colorado Bouldering II.

Around this time, I also did a lot of bouldering at The Little Bruin Wall up in Bear Creek Canyon. There are some photos that can be viewed on frontrangebouldering.com, if you go into the archives.

checked out the stuff on stagecoach today and it was pretty fun, virtualy no hike involved. I am pretty sure you are on bergan peak state wildlife land. 5 boulders with roughly 20 or so problems total, and it seems like there is more if your up for a little hike. I will load some pics of the area on my profile.

Kevin Stricker wrote:... wish I could join you but have a newborn at home. ....

Hey, a new wallmeister in the works?? Congrats, Kev.

It is not a question of the guidebook being illegal. It is a issue of spreading the word about climbing areas, then climbers start flocking to them, homeowners get pissed call up DMP and they come out and chop the bolts and anchors. This has already occurred at one craig in the area, so why chance it? Climbers are not the most law abiding of citizens, why publish something then say its off limits.

Just asking for trouble if you ask me. If you want to find out about climbs in the area, then walk up to a cliff and check it out. Sometimes I think our generation has Supertopoed the adventure out of rock climbing.

Thanks Mark, we will see if he likes climbing when he is ready. We will be taking him to Yosemite this summer so he can get his first look at El Cap, and maybe take a bath in the Merced if it's warm enough. Start him off on the right foot.

I was always told that climbing begets more climbers, and Kev, you certainly have lived up to that I'll tell ya. Noisy unsanitary climbers, always wanting to go outside and enjoy the mountains and play in the dirt; I mean, who do you all think you are anyway? (WRT your new addition)

-- publishing a guide, I'm with Kevin.

I would agree with both of you. However if DMP ever changes their regulations then it might be a possibility.

Mike Lanewrote: You know, this thread is just SCREAMING out for the need of an Evergreen area bouldering/climbing guide. One of you locals ought to pick up the entrepreneurial gauntlet presented here. Yo Jason, Tom Hanson occasionally e-mails out invites for get-together days at the Wood. Maybe you should consider trying it out too.

Yes, very much needed. I've been scrambling, bouldering, and actually top-roping in the Evergreen area since the early 1990s and would love to see a guidebook.

Jason Kaplanwrote: sounds good mike, if all legalitys get worked out I would love to persue the endeavor. I have a 10 mp DSLR and know of alot of stuff so a guide could totally be possible with some help. Also I think I might have to try what tom is doing, although feel free to just drop me a line if you might like to meet up. we can exchange #'s and meet up sometime, I get some weekdays off randomly but mostly weekends and lately the after work 3 sisters burn a couple days a week. Oh also TheREAL angry, I found a sweet OW overhanging cave crack reminiscent of veda that seems hard as hell (@ 3 sisters), I have a pic if your interested.

Do it, Jason!