Place to stay for 11/18- 11/23

What will weather be like in mid-November? Too cold for a 3-season tent?
If it's too cold for outdoor sleeping, does anyone have a couch available or an open room for cheap?
As a last resort, are there any hostels in Las Vegas or killer deals on hotel rooms?
A couple buddies and myself are roadtripping or flying (SWA one-way, DIA to LV for $49!) to Vegas for Thanksgiving break. We are broke and will probably leave Las Vegas more so.
Any tips for staying cheap in Vegas? Where to eat (grocery stores?), where to stay, where to drink, routes not to be missed while there, best transvestite hookers, etc.

ryami wrote:Are there any hostels in Las Vegas?

Don't even think about staying at a hostel in Vegas. Unless you want to throw away some of your vacation, and $ on getting deloused. You'd be better off car camping in a casino parking garage.

ryami wrote:What will weather be like in mid-November? Too cold for a 3-season tent?

It never really gets too cold to camp in Red Rock, IMO.

ryami wrote:Any tips for staying cheap in Vegas? Killer deals on hotel rooms? Where to eat (grocery stores?), where to stay, where to drink, routes not to be missed while there?

Oh my! That'll be too much information. But, yes, yes, yes, yes,yes and yes. If others don't chime in on that one, I'll get back to you later.(I have to get ready for work now.)

ryami wrote:Best transvestite hookers?

Fremont, and Main street, and by the Budget Suites on Tropicana, and the I -15.There are a few that hang out by the Blue Angel Motel A friendly Vegas reminder.. don't go behind the Stratosphere from dusk till dawn.

Hope that helps.

G

I've camped as late as Thanksgiving at the campground. The days are short and it can be pretty cold since the campground doesn't have any wind breaks. It also loses the sun really early. The trick is making sure that you eat early enough in the day so that its not freezing and then go to Whole Foods or Barnes and Noble, etc. to hang out for a while. Trust me, it can be done on the cheap!

If you are flying in you definitely want to rent a car. Getting around Red Rocks without a car is a real hassle and it will make you very dependent on others. You also want a place to store gear, etc. Midweek you can pick up cheap hotels but come weekend the price climbs.

If you are motivated to climb, camping works out well and you can be at the entry point right on opening since it's too cold to just hang around and veg. You can spend the money saved on hotel rooms on coffee and food!

Don't forget to check out the climbing store on Charleston. Great crew!

There are some good sketchy cheap rooms downtown... 20-25 dollar range the last time my wife got tired of the campground and demanded a shower and tv. Chics...

John, that is too funny.

My wife and I did a week in Grand Teton this summer. She finally put her foot down after about 3 days in the tent. We took a paid shower at Coulter Bay. I swear to God, you could hear women MOANING orgasmically in that damned community shower.

ryami wrote:A couple buddies and myself are roadtripping or flying (SWA one-way, DIA to LV for $49!) to Vegas for Thanksgiving break. We are broke and will probably leave Las Vegas more so.

If I were in your climbing shoes:

• I'd camp, and deal with the cool nights.
• Pig out at the 8.99 (Mon.-Fri. 8am-11am) "all you can eat, and drink" breakfast buffet at the Red Rock Casino(5 minute drive from the campground!) Great food! That'll keep you full for most of the day.
• Climb until dark.
• Kill some of the cooler evening hours by touring around town. You can hang out on the Vegas Strip, which has free streetside shows, and you'll find some really good food deals after 10pm!
• Refrain from gambling, chances are you'll lose.
• Return to camp late at night,(you'll be good, and tired by then!) only to crawl under the covers; so you won't notice some of the more depressing aspects of the campground.

I believe you can shower at the Red Rock Climbing Center (climbing gym)
for a small fee.

I don't have to tell you about grocery stores, as there's practically one on every corner on Charleston Blvd., and in Vegas.

If you must; Arizona Charlies Casino/Hotel is a short drive from Red Rock(s), and has weekday rooms for low rates. They have great food deals there also. Just make hotel reservations ahead of time, as rates can change depending on availability on hotels in Vegas.

MORE INFO. on Red Rock(s)

G

Gigette has some great advice (being a local, that makes sense...LOL). I've stayed at Arizona Charlie's on Decatur, and it is decent, but the rates go from about $39 during the week to about $79 (or more) on the weekend.

The Breakfast buffet at the Sun Coast is very good, on Charleston and Rampart. The new Red Rock Casino was not open the last time I was there, so I'm not sure how it is, but for $8.99, it doesn't sound like you can go wrong!

The campground is okay for sleeping and not much else.

Whole Foods is close by on Charleston, (I love that place).

The cheapest way to drink (I think) is to play the nickel slots and enjoy the freebies!

Jim Matt wrote:Gigette has some great advice (being a local, that makes sense...LOL)!

Now now, Jim, there's nothing wrong with playing tourist. Vegas locals do that from time to time. ; )

ryami,

F.Y.I.
Lots of out of town climbers come to Red Rock(s) around Thanksgiving time, and stay at the campground. I've visited people at the campground during Thanksgiving weekends, and it was fairly lively.
Since the campground is mainly occupied by climbers, you'll find others to chat, and hang out with. You could also possibly find others to go cragging with, if your buddies are too hungover to climb.

Hope you guys have fun during your stay.

G

What are some areas or routes not to be missed? My climbing group is sport junkies just teasing 11a's but loving 9s and 10s all day.
Are there any classic multi-pitch sport routes in 9-10 range that we could spend a day on?

if your out that way stratocaster is a two pitch sport route that is in the 11,s and running man is a classic sport protected crack . but basically with all "sport"routes anywere, its good to carry some small pro to supplement run outs, sunny and steep is a good spot to chill all day and climb its mostly all sport routes with big old glued ins,from 5-9 to5-12 lots of routes,good stuff

oh yeah and the camping thing dude i moved here in january and camped at the campground for 11 days untill i found a place to live it aint bad,

Plans are coming together, thanks for your input.
I've looked at the info on here and supertopo about Frogland and Epinepherine, what will late November conditions be? They both look like they have early sun.
If anybody would want to guide/ lead some fellow climbers up either of these routes, we would gladly buy you all the post-climb libations you'd like.
Also, we'll be staying at the campgrounds on the weekend for sure, possibly longer. I've been warned that theft and crime are an issue (in Sin City?) and to not leave nice looking gear exposed in cars. Any advice on how to not get our shit stolen in LV?

ryami wrote: I've been warned that theft and crime are an issue (in Sin City?) and to not leave nice looking gear exposed in cars. Any advice on how to not get our shit stolen in LV?

Leave the inside of your car empty, so you don't look like a road tripping tourist. Keep belongings in your car trunk, and try your hardest not to go in, and out of trunk where you plan to leave your car. If you have to get into your trunk, do it at a place you will not be leaving your car. Don't leave any personal info. in vehicle! Las Vegas is #1 for identity theft. Downtown has more crime (crack heads)than say the strip south of Sahara Ave. Carry your wallet, and/or man purse with you at all times.

Have fun! G

My wife & I climbed Frogland the day after Thanksgiving '05. It was cold, but not quite miserable. With a little more clothing it would have been more fun. We started the approach just as the sun was coming up, and when we returned to the base there was a conga line, including parties on every pitch, and several waiting to start. Get up early!

is there anywhere near the campgrounds w free comps and internet access so i can maintain my 10x a day MP.com/supertopo habits?

If you want something warm, look at some of the climbs on Solar Slab Wall in Oak Creek Canyon . There are definitely some good ones there! I suspect Frogland would be a bit on the cool side, but tolerable if you tolerate the cold well..lol. It does not get much sun past mid-morning.

I'm pretty sure you can get free internet access at Desert Rock Sports on Charleston.

what are your favorite (warm in late november!) sport routes at red rocks?

turns out the trad gear hasn't arrived soon enough and i'd be stupid to trial by fire up a multipitch. also, if anyone is going to be in the area next weekend-beginning of next week, 2 confident, motivated, healthy, non-complaining 5.11 sport climbers would love to follow epinepherine or frogland. if you're interested, we can compensate you for your time with a victory smoke and colorado micro-brews.
thanks,
ry

Free internet at Coffe Bean...on left as you enter town. If you need specific beta HOOLLER and I"ll find it.

Whole Foods, free WIFI, great milf vistas...

Showers at gym suck and are 4 bux.

Shower at community center turning left off of CHarleston on Town Center, and going str8 for about 3 blocks... like 2 dollar showers, total gym setup, maybe free wifi, UNBEATABLE indoor scenery of all ages.

Holler at me if you need more homeboy beta, this tourist beta is so blazaaaaa.

olympic garden, no cover, no drink mini if you get there early. I can polish 2 40oz cobras and 2 bowls on the trip to strip from loop road, rendering 5 dollar beers to a minimum.

Damnit, this is one of my favorite times of year to be out there! And, I could not find anyone to go this time around. I would totally have led Frogland for you guys. To be honest, I have never done it, but Epi is a totally different beast. Sustained 5.9 chimneys in November does not sound like comfort to me. And the descent is pretty epic, too. The whole day is nearing a Grade IV climb. Frogland is barely a Grade III.