Red Rock Newbies - Recommendations?

My wife and I will be in RR through the week of Oct 3-7 and I'm looking for some recommendations. I have done a lot of research but welcome input! We sport climb up to about 5.10b and want to try some trad climbs in the 5.5-5.7 range. We're looking for some options for shade and possibly walk-offs, although we will bring two ropes.
I'm looking at Willow Springs area for what looks like shade options, but I know there are north facing options in some of the canyons. Don't mind hiking in the sun, just don't want to bake on the rock. Thanks! Kowboy

Hey Kowboy,

for my first trip down there, I did Geronimo & Birdland. Not walk offs, but they were a great intro to RR and really fun climbs.

Ed

I'd check out Angel Food Wall, you have options in the 5.5-5.7 range: Tunnel vision, group therapy, sandy hole (some others), purblind pillar is a fun 5.8 (soft 8, try the others first)plus Angel Food Wall is in the shade early in the day. The walk off for Angel food is pretty straight forward during the day but I did run into a group trying it at night without headlamps and they were having a hard time (before anyone asks yes we did the right thing and got them down safely; as a rule I always bring a headlamp anywhere in RR). The walk off doesn't go right back to the base so go fast and light if you can.

Stay away from the easy stuff on solar slab if you want to beat the heat. I thought Birdland was fun but wouldn't do it again because of the crowds, 4 people at a belay station while one person is leading and another person is rapping above them is a little much for me. Have fun Red Rocks rules.

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This sticky is really useful for folks that haven't been here before. It answers a lot of questions. The above options are all great. Birdland is best rapped with a 70 - two ropes are a PITA. There are also some good moderates on the left side of Whiskey Peak (Shaeffers, etc.)that shouldn't hopefully be too hot at that point. If you don't already own it, buy Jerry Handren's guidebook at Desert Rock Sports desertrocksportslv.com/ when you get here. PM me for specifics if you'd like.

Also, if you'd like some long and somewhat committing, but easy and sometimes runout, multi-pitch the First Creek Slabs is an excellent area. Be prepared for runouts in the 5.5 range, but depending on the route, the harder terrain is protected. (Lady Luck, Hot Flash, Sunset Slab)

smassey wrote: mountainproject.com/v/frequ… This sticky is really useful for folks that haven't been here before. It answers a lot of questions.

If I add a thread that references the sticky to the thread that is the sticky, does it tear a hole in the space time continuum?

Cross your fingers, we're going to find out.

Cat in the Hat - rap route
Dark Shadows - rap route
Solar Slab -long fun walk off or rap the solar gully
Tunnel Vision - walk-off
Frogland - walk-off
Ragged edges (the first pitch is 5.7, the second 5.9 if I recall right) - walk-off
Olive Oil - walk off

Cant remember all the ratings but they are all pretty easy and awesome and multi-pitch. If you sport 10b they should be pretty easy for you. In october you should be able to climb in the sun unless it is unusually hot.

Haha! Well put, sir. Isn't Vegas already a hole in the space-time continuum though?

Ragged Edges is great. It can be done in a long pitch if you want, bring a 4,5 camalot. It's 5.8, but the OW is not that bad. If you do that, do a top-belay TR on Chicken Eruptus, the 10b gear-protected face just to the right. It's outstanding, and a good example of the unique style of climbing here.

I have checked out the sticky and it is quite helpful...but there is SO much information, I just wanted opinions from those who've been there, done that...like the tidbit from smassey about a 70m rope for rapping Birdland. Taking one rope instead of two would be a really nice bonus! I'm planning to bring our regular 60m cragging rope and then a brand new (I almost hate to use it) 70m 9.4 skinny thing that would be perfect for linking and rapping long pitches. We'll hammer on the 60 at the sport crags and bring the 70 for the trad leads. Thanks everyone - if you think of anything else - it's all appreciated!

Thanks John, and everyone for the input. Looking forward to the trip - just one more day of work to get through! :)

Mia Tucholke wrote:...Solar Slab -long fun walk off or rap the solar gully...

Is there really a long, fun walk-off? I've never done them, but I was under the impression the both the gullys were long and not fun at all.

Sort of. Unless your idea of walk-off includes downclimbing 5.4, both descents from the top of solar slab involve rappelling. There are plenty of alternate ways down, but they're not the type to recommend to nOObs, unless you're an evil sandbagger...
The solar slab gully ends at the terrace at the start of the Solar Slab proper. It is the typical descent for anyone just doing one of the lower routes, or rapping from the top of the 7th pitch of SS.
The walk-off is "fun", in a sense, since it is a nice tour by the base of the Eagle Wall and it saves you having to get your rope stuck on the SS raps.

Darren in Vegas wrote: If I add a thread that references the sticky to the thread that is the sticky, does it tear a hole in the space time continuum? Cross your fingers, we're going to find out.

Whoah. I don't know the answer but I do know it blew my mind!

Seriously, though, that sticky is great. Well done.

smassey wrote:Sort of. Unless your idea of walk-off includes downclimbing 5.4, both descents from the top of solar slab involve rappelling. There are plenty of alternate ways down, but they're not the type to recommend to nOObs, unless you're an evil sandbagger... The solar slab gully ends at the terrace at the start of the Solar Slab proper. It is the typical descent for anyone just doing one of the lower routes, or rapping from the top of the 7th pitch of SS. The walk-off is "fun", in a sense, since it is a nice tour by the base of the Eagle Wall and it saves you having to get your rope stuck on the SS raps.

"...both descents from the top of solar slab involve rappelling...." Do you mean both gully descents?

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Jason was the American Alpine Institute permanent guide in Red Rocks, took tons of new and moderate climbers out on a regular basis, and knows this place like the back of his hand. Get the guidebook-- it'll give you the real deal. You won't be disappointed.

-sp wrote: "...both descents from the top of solar slab involve rappelling...." Do you mean both gully descents?

Scott is talking about the painted bowl descent to the west. There are a couple different ways to do it, but either way you'll end up doing 2-3 raps.

It's so good to be understood... Glad to see that my predecessor/boss's book is getting some press. For a visiting moderate trad climber, Jason does a great job of giving detailed beta on a good handful of classic and more obscure routes.

John Wilder wrote: no- scott is referring to both of the painted bowl descent(s) and possibly the east gully descent that no one ever does. all require at least one rappel, but you only need a single line for them. for more beta on all that, see Black Orpheus's page on the site.

Thanks John, I didn't think there was an easy way off without rapping.

Kowboy,
If the weather is right, here are my recomendations.

• Olive Oil - 5.7 - 70m to link pitches 2+3 = walk-off
• Cookie Monster / Cat in the Hat - 5.7 - 2, 60m's = Rap CITH
• Crimson Chrysalis - 5.8+ = Rap with 2, 60m's / I've done it with one 70m. Some down-climbing was required.
• Geronimo - 5.6 - 2, 60m's = rap
• Johnny Vegas - 5.7 - 1, 60m to rap the gully
• Fold-out - 5.7
• Dark Shadows - 5.8

Thanks for all the great feedback - nice to know this site is still dedicated to positive comments and reinforcement to those who like to climb! We were first to the wall 10/7 at Birdland, with a 2nd party (and 3rd and 4th) soon following. Great climb! 5th pitch protection is definately the crux, although 4th pitch early-on is a bit run-out, but easy climbing...all pitches had their cruxes for a 5.7 leader, but nothing scary. Truly a great outing on a beautiful day in RR!! The whole trip was fun with lots of other climbing as well, a 10.d sport was my personal best, though not clean, I made it up eventually! You desert rats have it made...Kowboy

If anyone is reading this after the fact, or for their own trip. Someone wise and experienced suggested I do Physical Graffiti(5.6 with a rap off) as my warmup, and then I followed it with Big Bad Wolf(5.9 sport climb, right next to P.G.). Fun introduction to RR, with both a trad and sport climb.
Easy access. It was a great start for a moderate climber, on their first trip to RR's.

Will be back!

How doable do you guys think the NE Arete on Bridge mountain would be for a beginner/intermediate group of 3? With this same group we were able to do Birdland/Geronimo/ Big Bad Wolf/ Physical Graffiti etc in a group of 3. We plan to start early for the approach (from Red Rock Summit). We plan to exit the same day. Doable for a long day (maybe walking out in the dark) in mid February. I may scope out the approach beforehand to make sure we don't have problems the day of.