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Echo Cliffs

California > Los Angeles Basin > Santa Monica Mountains
Warning Access Issue: Echo Cliffs - closures still in effect in the Grotto section. DetailsDrop down

Description

Echo Cliffs has become one of the premier sport climbing venues in Southern California and hosts nearly 200 routes. Echo Cliff offers many faces that feature pockets and blocky holds on vertical to overhanging rock in a beautiful, typically sunny setting. Many of the routes found at Echo Cliffs are long and require a 60-meter rope to lower off or toprope, so it's a good idea to always climb with a 60-meter rope and be mindful of the route descriptions and where the end of the rope is. All routes at Echo Cliffs are bolt protected and have fixed anchors at the top. While the temperatures are most enjoyable during the fall, winter, and spring, climbing is still possible in the summer.

Guidebooks: Louie Anderson and Todd Fertig, “Sport Climbing in the Santa Monicas” 3rd edition 2018.

                     Tom Slater, “Southern California Rock Climbing“ 2013.

                     Troy Mahr, “Southern California Sport Climbing“ 2004.

                     Steve Edwards, "Rock Climbing Santa Barbara & Ventura,” 2000.

Getting There

From the 101 Freeway take the Westlake Boulevard exit and head south on Westlake (California 23). After roughly 7 miles turn right (west) on Mulholland Highway. After half a mile turn right on Little Sycamore Canyon Road, which becomes Yerba Buena Road. After 4 miles park in dirt pullouts on either side of the road. The trail starts from parking lot on the right (west) side of road.

The hike in takes about 45 - 60 minutes. Take the Mishe Mokwa trail for about 40 minutes. The trail intersects a dry stream bed on right at the bottom of a significant downhill section of the trail. There's a brown sign post in the wash marking the climbers trail. If you find yourself at the overlook you've gone 30 yards too far. Follow the stream bed down to the climbs making every effort to stay on durable surfaces (rock, not soil or vegetation). 

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Map of Echo Cliffs and its climbing areas. April 2017
[Hide Photo] Map of Echo Cliffs and its climbing areas. April 2017
Charles & Echo Cliffs
[Hide Photo] Charles & Echo Cliffs
Sunrise on the Mishe Mokwa trail.  Hiking in early to beat the heat.
[Hide Photo] Sunrise on the Mishe Mokwa trail. Hiking in early to beat the heat.
Nearing the end of another fine day of climbing at Echo Cliffs.
[Hide Photo] Nearing the end of another fine day of climbing at Echo Cliffs.
Photo of Echo Cliffs without the map, April 2017
[Hide Photo] Photo of Echo Cliffs without the map, April 2017
Climbers at Echo Cliffs
[Hide Photo] Climbers at Echo Cliffs
Echo Cliffs, as seen from the Mishe Mokwa trail. The approach trail reaches the Grotto first. The other walls are approached by hiking right (south) along the base of the cliff.
[Hide Photo] Echo Cliffs, as seen from the Mishe Mokwa trail. The approach trail reaches the Grotto first. The other walls are approached by hiking right (south) along the base of the cliff.
Dudleya pulverulenta, or chalk lettuce, photographed in The Grotto area.
[Hide Photo] Dudleya pulverulenta, or chalk lettuce, photographed in The Grotto area.
Joe Wysznski keeping cool on Crash and Burn, 5.12d
[Hide Photo] Joe Wysznski keeping cool on Crash and Burn, 5.12d
Humboldt Lily, photographed along the trail to Echo Cliffs (listed rare or endangered by CNPS)
[Hide Photo] Humboldt Lily, photographed along the trail to Echo Cliffs (listed rare or endangered by CNPS)
Almost to the bottom of the creek bed
[Hide Photo] Almost to the bottom of the creek bed
Expect to find this rope/rebar ladder after Treasure Towers. After the ladder, you'll find The Alcove, Kamikaze Cave, Dream Street, and Easy Street.
[Hide Photo] Expect to find this rope/rebar ladder after Treasure Towers. After the ladder, you'll find The Alcove, Kamikaze Cave, Dream Street, and Easy Street.

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

Lizzy Trower
Stanford, CA
[Hide Comment] You can also reach the trailhead by driving west/north on the PCH from Santa Monica and turning right on Yerba Buena road (at Neptune's Net restaurant) and following that up to the trailhead. Sep 26, 2007
Ryan Kelly
work.
[Hide Comment] I don't think the description gives fair mention of the amount of choss you'll find here. There's some fun climbing for sure, but there's enough bad rock to warrant mentioning while describing the place. Just something to keep in mind; you'll have more fun if you know what you're in for. Take your helmet, not so much for the actually climbing, but while hanging out at the base. Nov 4, 2007
[Hide Comment] The beta photo on this page of easy street and the far side dose not match the guide book Sport Climbing in the Santa Monicas. I climbed these climbs on 2/28/2009 and the guide book seems to be accurate. Climb #4 is not Golden Years, it is the Sperpent 10A and #5 is not Dirty Deeds it is Watermark 5.9.Golden Years and Dirty deeds are the next set of bolts to the left. Mar 1, 2009
RYAN MATTOCK
Calabasas
[Hide Comment] nice place to go climbing for the afternoon. some anchor replacement has been happening (it's not me), but I 'm glad. Mar 2, 2009
Matthew Fienup
Santa Rosa Valley, CA
[Hide Comment] Thanks for noting the problem with the beta photo, Rob. I made the same note on another part of the site back in September (see here mountainproject.com/v/calif…). It would be REALLY nice to get this cleaned up. Mar 3, 2009
[Hide Comment] I've had friends new to Echo try to meet me at the wall and I made them this map to help them find me. If it helps you, great. If not, take it down so others don't get F'd. I think it's pretty accurate, but that's for the public to decide:

maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=… Sep 18, 2009
[Hide Comment] Great long moderates, including some multi-pitch 8s/9s in the Easy Street section. Extremely well-protected, though rock can be super-sketch in places. Helmet is a MUST for belayers, base-area lingerers.
This is one of the better places to learn lead & multi-pitch climbing on fixed bolts. And it's probably the least crowded crag in LA County. Gorgeous area with a beautiful, shady grotto.
I'm saddened to hear about the trash and feces problem. This area was just starting to gain populairty when I lived there (03-05) and trash hadn't yet become a problem.
C'mon people respect one of LA County's only "backcountry" crags! Apr 22, 2010
Adam Long
Santa Cruz, CA
[Hide Comment] The guidebook for this area is doing climbers a disservice by liberally using a 5 star rating system. A place like J-Tree or Yosemite is deserving of such a system. Stars are given out to many routes in massive quantities where they may not be warranted, especially routes put up by the guidebook author. Jan 1, 2011
ttriche
Grand Rapids, MI
[Hide Comment] It's a sport area, the guy who spent a shitload of time and energy developing it is going to be biased. The glue alone probably cost a small fortune. If it bugs you, don't use the guidebook. Or look at the mountainproject ratings. They tend to be a lot more objective. If you could get Williamson reopened, then the problem might work itself out... But unfortunately most of the other sport areas near LA are choss piles, and the ratings in Louie's book are implicitly based on comparisons with other bolted choss.

It's better than nothing; you can either ignore the star ratings in his book or write a better one (in print or on the web). Bottom line is that the guidebook is out there, it represents the viewpoint of a guy who spent a lot of time developing the area, and he just isn't real likely to change it just because the area is (objectively) a choss pile.

With the right frame of mind, training at Echo can still be a good time. You just can't show up expecting Astroman to rise out of the hills. Jan 1, 2011
Joseph Stover
Spokane, WA
[Hide Comment] Adam's map is perfectly right on, at least according to the gps on my phone in google maps. Thanks! The climbers trail was marked with many chalk splotches, so you can't miss it. Is this the best way in? The Edwards guide says something about a trail that was frowned upon by rangers, I am assuming this is the climber-specific trail made to ensure plant safety.

This is a beautiful area, this weekend was my first time here, and it was BUSY! I'm not sure if that is normal. If you want to climb below 5.10, you might expect a line. The newer walls (far side and further) seem to still be cleaning up, so helmets for everyone at the base is a good idea, unless there are no other parties. However, if it's not so busy, the moderates here are stellar. It can be quite noisy, and I hope the local residents don't hear it all day everyday.

This is just from a small sampling though. I hope to get back soon to do more. If the rock was cleaner... this area would be STELLAR! But don't let that deter you. The trails along the crag bases were especially nicely maintained. Feb 6, 2011
Maidy Vasquez
Bishop, CA
[Hide Comment] Just a note since I've noticed a drastic increase in destructive behavior at Echo cliffs just in the last year... mostly, I believe out of ignorance. Evidently a lot of people are simply unaware of the park's rules so here they are for the record:

Echo cliffs is a federally protected wilderness under the National Park Service. Access can be closed if we as climbers do not respect some simple rules. Simply put.. leave no trace. Pack out your trash and don't destroy stuff. Leave the plants and animals alone. Your dog is required to be on a leash at all times.

Camping is illegal. Fires are not only illegal, but suicidal given the lack of an escape route and the dry conditions. There have been multiple incidents now of camping and fire-pits as well as people (both climbers and non-climbers) clearing bushes and chopping down trees to make room for encampments. This could definitely cause a permanent closure if it continues.

Tampering with plants/wildlife and cutting new access trails upsets the land managers. It has been an issue in the past. Fortunately, with areas like The Grotto and The Lookout, the park was willing to work out a compromise of partial closure. There are established access trails to every wall, so creating new ones is totally unnecessary. If you find yourself sliding down an severely eroding hillside, thrashing though bushes or ripping plants off a route, you are in the wrong place. Stick to walking on rock whenever possible. If you need to mark the trail, use cairns (not paint like some idiot did recently).

For route developers...power drills are prohibited as is vertical gardening. All cliff-line beyond The Tea Room is private property closed to development. Fixed draws are technically illegal as well.

Let's keep Echo safe, beautiful and open for everyone to enjoy in the future. We don't need another one of our prime sport-climbing areas shut down. It's not hard to follow the rules and still have a great day out there. Happy climbing everyone. Nov 18, 2013
J Kazu
Los Angeles, CA
[Hide Comment] Saw three cars with broken windows in the parking lot on the way out today. What a bummer, bring or keep anything of value out of sight. Feb 2, 2014
[Hide Comment] Just a heads up when parking at the Mishe Mokwa Trail parking lot or any of the other lots in the area, 4 cars broken into at the Mishe Mokwa Trail parking lot on Superbowl sunday (feb. 2nd 2014) , one of which was mine. Nothing was stolen though we did have some empty bags in the back, under one was a camera bag which they did not see (fuckin amateurs, man). Not the smartest move on our end but regardless, According to the NPS ranger its been happening a lot in the area. I spoke to another climber who said his window was busted out on mulhoulland hwy two weeks prior.

An unfortunate reality for a great spot in LA. Ive already created laminated signs for my windows offering a $50 dollar reward to any would be thieves for NOT breaking my rear windshield. Also, on the market for some booby trap riggers. Any leads would be much appreciated.

Aside from the aforementioned above and some pretty jaded hippies, this place ROCKS. PUN INTENDED!!!!!!! Feb 3, 2014
Billy Shin
Inglewood, ca
[Hide Comment] I hate getting lost and missing the turn out...

So here's a GPS from parking lot to base of climbs.

wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do… Jun 1, 2015
P.J. Tezza
Sparks, NV
[Hide Comment] A buddy of mine and I experienced serious rock fall on the route Espresso. At the last bolt, Kevin pulled off a very large flake. He said it had lots of chalk on it and didn't look unusually loose. Wear a helmet and watch for falling rock at Echo!

On the drive back down Yerba Buena Road, we picked up a fallen motorcyclist and took him along on our ride to the hospital. He had slid out on rock fall debris. He ended up with broken ribs. Take it easy and watch for fallen rock on the roads! Aug 10, 2017
Baron Lunbeck
San Diego
[Hide Comment] Does anyone know if the road up to echo is open yet ? And if it’s ok to climb? May 9, 2019
[Hide Comment] The road is open and it is ok to climb. May 20, 2019
[Hide Comment] What are the conditions like after it rains? Does it need a few days to dry or is it good to go? Mar 4, 2020
Charles Weinman
Port Hueneme
[Hide Comment] Did my first outdoor here. Really fun area and the hike isnt too bad. Mar 12, 2020
Scotty D
San Diego, CA
[Hide Comment] Hey Caliza, it's good to wait a couple days after a rain since it's kinda chossy breccia. That said, the pandemic is pretty much shutting down climbing, so we'll all have to wait. Mar 31, 2020
Kyle Goodnow
Flagstaff
[Hide Comment] Summer shade: what are the best walls/times to hit for shade? Sep 24, 2020
[Hide Comment] Since when is it OK to climb after a rain storm? If this location is vulnerable to breaking holds minus the water, can we have a comment at the top of page mentioning no climbing after a rain. I mention this because there were multiple parties 1/24 after a good rain. If anyone has an opinion its good to share. Jan 25, 2021
[Hide Comment] I agree with Matthew's comment about the rain.
Unfortunately though, I fault the new generation of gym-to-crag climbers and the Covid closure of the gyms. Jan 25, 2021
[Hide Comment] Hey everybody, I've been climbing at echo for awhile and have noticed many routes have deteriorated over time and I am curious what people think the routes with the best rock quality are, meaning the route has maintained its integrity since it was initially set. Obviously one would have had to been climbing at echo for quite some time and still be in order to gauge this accurately. Jun 1, 2021
Benjamin Chapman
Small Town, USA
[Hide Comment] Max...try; Blacktide (5.9), Intellitoys (5.9), Harvey (5.8), Espresso (5.11a), Casey at the Bat (5.10b), or any of the routes in the Tea Room. All well traveled, solid, and no chipping, gluing, or manufacturing what so ever. But if you're looking for solid rock and holds that don't break climb somewhere beyond the Santa Monica Mountains. Jul 14, 2021
[Hide Comment] DOGS. Be careful if you bring your dog. The dirt out here gets way hotter than a lot of other hiking areas around LA. I wish someone would have told me how hot the ground gets. I brought my pit in October and he burned his paw pads on the hike out. It was a nightmare getting him to the car. If this happens to your pup, try to constantly wet their paw pads with water to prevent the burn and make the walk more bearable. Oct 15, 2023
[Hide Comment] As a heads up! It's better to park at the Echo Cliffs parking area at the Mishe Mokwa Trailhead. The GPS coordinates on Mountain Project takes you to the Sandstone Peak trailhead, which is a bit longer of a hike in. Oct 23, 2023