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Win, Lose, No Draws 

YDS: 5.11 French: 6c+ Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E4 5c

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch, 70'
Original:  YDS: 5.11 French: 6c+ Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E4 5c [details]
FA: Eric Fazio-Rhicard & Jim Scott (2007)
Season: Shady Until Late Afternoon
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Submitted By: Hendrixson on Feb 20, 2016

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BETA PHOTO: Win, Lose, No Draws


Win, Lose, No Draws is a deceptive-looking route of sustained difficulty, punctuated by a number of rests. Straight off the deck pull strenuous moves to obtain a corner system rest. Ascend a brief arete by edging and then probe for purchase on slopers. Traverse over the anchors of The Little King on a large ledge. Regroup and then battle to the chains using sidepulls and pockets. This one isn't over until you've clipped the chains.

I personally enjoyed this route much more than I was expecting. The movement was varied and challenging; the rock was seemingly solid. Is it better than nearby routes of comparable difficulty? I'm not sure. Is it worth climbing at some point? Definitely.


Win, Lose, No Draws is on the far left side of the King formation. It is the second route from the left. The Little King is to the left; King's Arete is to the right.


Approximately 12 bolts to leaver biners. There is a chain draw midway to aid in cleaning.

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By Joe Kreidel
From: San Antonio, TX
Mar 7, 2016

I left a leaver biner about halfway up this route for clipping into as you lower. This helps avoid a nasty swing after you unclip all the draws. I'm not sure if this route gets enough traffic to justify a permadraw in that spot, but I have one I am happy to add next time I'm up there.
By 1Eric Rhicard
Mar 8, 2016

Do it Joe! just make sure the biner is not easily removed.
By Hendrixson
From: Tucson, AZ
Mar 27, 2016

A chain draw has been added to aid in cleaning.
By Jimbo
Mar 27, 2016

Thanks guys. The dudes that developed this are slackers. Thanks for stepping up and finishing the job!

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