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What If You're Not? 

YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

Type:  Trad, TR, 1 pitch, 60'
Original:  YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
FA: Fred Knapp and Sharon Sadleir Vaughan
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Submitted By: Ben Mottinger on Jan 1, 2001

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Well done!!! Julie Mearckle enjoys the steep stuff...

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  • Description 

    This is a great beginner sport route on the left end of the rock. Climb huge huecos up the steep face. TR access is from the left end of the rock.

    Eds. Some may find the stretch to the 1st bolt runout. Consider a stickclip.


    4 bolts to a 2 bolt anchor. Some supplemental gear can be useful between the bolts. 10 feet of slings will make it easier on your rope.

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    By Guy H.
    From: Fort Collins CO
    Aug 28, 2001

    The hangers on the top of this route seem to appear and disappear. Just a heads up if you are leading this climb.
    By Joe McManus
    Oct 1, 2001

    Fun easy lead, the toughest part is the first 10 feet. If you set it up as a TR just watch for the tons of poison ivy all around the back of the anchor area.
    By Sharon Sadleir Vaughan
    May 9, 2002

    The 5.7 leader might want to consider this a serious route, as we didn't put in many bolts. Not really a true "sport" climb. It is a fun jug haul if you don't mind the runout. Also, sorry for the spinner bolt anchor. It was the first (only?) bolt I ever drilled.
    By Joe Keyser
    From: Scottsdale, AZ
    Jul 1, 2002

    For a bolted route, I felt this was done nicely. Nothing hard about it, but, it is really fun! HUGE jugs up a slightly overhanging face. Two bolts at the anchor, both seemed just fine, easy walk off. Other good climbs at this crag as well... The east face of Der [Zerkle] is closed, but, the climbs on this side are still open.
    By Leo Paik
    From: Westminster, Colorado
    Jul 25, 2002

    You can make this not s-rated by adding a #4 Camalot placed at a diagonal between the 1st and 2nd bolt. A very good route!
    By George Bell
    From: Boulder, CO
    Oct 5, 2003

    There are currently a pair of yellow tape X's at the top of this route, apparently indicating some new bolts are to be placed? This is a fun route, reminiscent of indoor jug hauls. Four bolts are not a lot, but it still felt pretty safe.
    By shad O'Neel
    Oct 26, 2003

    If this is the grade you lead, I'm sure this route will provide extreme satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment, The ground could become reality clipping bolt 2. However, this seems to be one of the most fun 5.7s ever. The bolts are very well placed, and the climbing is giggly all the way to the top. The balancy crux somes early on, then just pure fun.
    By Anonymous Coward
    Sep 1, 2004

    Fred Knapp is my hero.
    By David A. Turner
    Sep 16, 2004

    The anchor on this route has been replaced with modern lowering bolts, and has been moved so there is no longer any rope drag over the edge.
    By nick moeckel
    Jul 26, 2007

    A really fun route, delicate for 5.7 right off the bat and then a steep jug-haul to the top. Heading up the east face and then hitting this on your way back is a good time.
    By Matt Schaning
    From: Boulder, CO
    Jul 28, 2008

    Beware of the hornet nest 1 foot to the right of the anchors!
    By Ben Burnett
    From: Colorado
    Nov 7, 2009
    rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

    I wouldn't say "beginning sport lead" given the fall potential if you're unfamiliar with leading. Bring a few cams and it might be a good for a beginner Mixed leader though.
    By slim
    Aug 4, 2011
    rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

    Probably not a good choice for a beginner to lead. Groundfall potential going to 2nd bolt, fairly steep and would be pumpy for a 5.7 climber. Fun route, though.
    By Peter Beal
    From: Boulder Colorado
    Jul 11, 2016

    This is not a beginner sport route. The runouts are quite dangerous at virtually every clip, and while the holds are generally huge, if anything goes wrong, the consequences would be serious.
    By John RB
    From: Superior, CO
    Jul 20, 2017

    I agree with the above: the description is dangerously misleading. This is not a beginner sport route. The first bolt is reasonably high, a fall trying to clip it would be very unpleasant (twisted ankle or worse), and there is not a good stance for clipping it. Not sure why it wasn't placed 12-18" lower where there is a stance (and then one other bolt before the 2nd bolt). Oh well... I guess this is Boulder, and we need climbs to be dangerous. :)

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