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Vision Thing 

YDS: 5.13a/b French: 8a Ewbanks: 29 UIAA: IX+ ZA: 29 British: E7 6c

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch
Original:  YDS: 5.13a French: 7c+ Ewbanks: 29 UIAA: IX+ ZA: 29 British: E6 6c [details]
FA: Kurt Smith, Mike Pont
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Submitted By: Pinklebear on Sep 4, 2001

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This route is about as Euro as it gets, replete with incut huecos, interesting tufas, crimps, and of course pockets. If not for the hands-off ledge which separated the lower and upper bits, it would get three stars.

Vision Thing is one route left of Never Believe and about 10-12 feet right of an obvious huge hueco in the rock. Power endurance is the name of the game for the first half and a dyno or two will get you over the final roof and up to the anchors.

People have been bickering over the grade for years now -- Is it 13a? Is it 13b? It would be light-duty 8a in Europe, which puts it at about 13a/b.


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By Rami Najjar
Aug 15, 2014
rating: 5.13b 8a 29 IX+ 30 E7 6c

My thoughts on the grade: without any kneebars, this route does not feel soft. I didn't have any pads and as such didn't use any kneebars. I see people taking nice, long rests after the burly beginning right before the crux with a kneebar, others I have seen lock in multiple knee bars even throughout the crux. To those that do that, I can see it definitely being a soft 13b. My experience of it was a full on enduro fight all the way from the bottom to the stand rest.
By D-Storm
Sep 6, 2014

Honestly, you don't even need pads for the kneebars. I enjoyed the route in a pair of Carhartt‎s.
By Rami Najjar
Oct 13, 2014
rating: 5.13b 8a 29 IX+ 30 E7 6c

I recall trying to lock in my knees multiple times with just my pants, it would not stay put. I guess I need longer lower limbs (or a knee pad).

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