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Thought Control 

YDS: 5.9+ French: 5c Ewbanks: 17 UIAA: VI ZA: 17 British: E1 5a

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch
Original:  YDS: 5.9 French: 5c Ewbanks: 17 UIAA: VI ZA: 17 British: HVS 5a [details]
FA: [Dan Michael and Brian Hansen, 1987}
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Submitted By: Ben Mottinger on Jan 1, 2001

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Stuart Hall, moving through the balancy crux.

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    Thought Control is located on the southern end of the rock, or the part closest to the creek bottom. The first bolt for this route is about 20 feet off the deck and is 5.9 climbing up to it, so be careful. The crux is a balancy pull or traverse past the second bolt. This route requires some good footwork and would get a 10a rating in most areas. Rap with a single 50m from the bolts.


    4 bolts to a 2-bolt anchor. Seventy feet to the anchors so a 50m is sufficient. Rapping back on the east slab is preferrable since the anchors are on that face.

    Photos of Thought Control Slideshow Add Photo
    Rock Climbing Photo: Topo.  Yellow is Bladder Control.  Green is Though...
    BETA PHOTO: Topo. Yellow is Bladder Control. Green is Though...
    Rock Climbing Photo: He's at the top. Wheee!!!
    He's at the top. Wheee!!!
    Rock Climbing Photo: Ben starts up the thin face.
    Ben starts up the thin face.

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    By Michael Komarnitsky
    Founding Father
    From: Seattle, WA
    Jan 1, 2001

    The first bolt is about 15 feet above the ground, and a little spicy (as Pat would say), but not overly dangerous. The friction is incredible on this route. Its also kind of confusing where the anchors are - they e actually up and right out through the corner of the roof, and then about a foot back. Placement was not the best... Also, this is the route where Ben Mottinger was climbing with Steve Knoll who fell between bolts 2 and 3 and broke his foot. A short 1/4 mile fireman carry later, and they got someone to help. So watch that third clip! (who says you can't get hurt sport climbing?)
    By Ben Mottinger
    Founding Father
    Jan 1, 2001

    Just to add a bit to the story of Steve. To this day, we can'treally figure out HOW he broke his ankle. He took what appeared to be a clean 12ft. fall but must have caught his foot on a small edge.

    The result was a completely shattered ankle which required 13 screws and two plates in surgery that night. Now "Frankenfoot" is getting back into climbing, but a freak accident like that really makes you second guess yourself when you have to get back on the sharp end.
    By Doug Redosh
    From: Golden, CO
    Apr 17, 2003

    Could not see anchors from the ground, or the boulder across the creek, or for that matter, from higher up in the gully to the east. Are they still there?For that reason, and also that the creek was high yesterday and approach difficult, we did not do the route.
    By Tony B
    From: Around Boulder, CO
    Apr 18, 2003
    rating: 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a

    I am reasonably certain that there are anchors up top, as I believe I clipped those while climbing on The Mountaineer's Route. You can refer to my entry for that route. If they are not the particular anchors you are looking for and are perhaps from some other sport route, you could continue on the slabby 5.4 arete of the Mountaineer's ROute to reach the anchors I have mentioned to retreat. In either case, getting off should not be a difficult nor dangerous task.
    By George Bell
    From: Boulder, CO
    Apr 18, 2003

    The anchors ARE hard to see. I don't think you can see them from the base as they are over the ridge. But I think you can see them from the trail, they are just very hard to spot. It's possible they are gone but more likely they are just camouflaged. As Tony said, it wouldn't be a disaster if you climbed up and found them missing anyway.
    By George Bell
    From: Boulder, CO
    Apr 18, 2003

    I would also recommend taking some gear on this route (maybe a few stoppers and small cams). I think you may be able to get something in between the bolts, but I don't really remember. If the top anchors are missing, you would want some gear.
    By Brian Hansen
    From: West of Boulder, CO
    Apr 18, 2003

    The second set of anchors farther up the ridge that Tony mentions in his Mountaineer's Route description is probably at the top of a west-facing route called Auspice (.11c?), established by Dan Michael in 1987. We used this anchor when establishing Thought Control. The lower anchor for Thought Control was added later. The route was bolted ground up using a hook to get stable enough to hand drill.
    By Leo Paik
    From: Westminster, Colorado
    Mar 25, 2004
    rating: 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a

    The anchors are still there as of 3/25/4. 2 coldshuts appearing oxidized. Also, not much supplemental gear til you get above the 4th bolt. Then, you might not need it.
    By New Guy
    Jun 30, 2004
    rating: 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a

    My name is Michael Israelson, but I could only enter NEW GUY because I lack savvy. I have great memories of Thought Control dating to our first climb of it in high school- Alan Doak's first 5.9 lead. Aesthetic and fun- back then there was no anchor at 70 feet- went back last month with Ryan Cable to check out this pretty route, tucked into Bear Canyon and far enough away from the raptors to qualify as "legal." Richard Rossiter listed "Old man of Hoy" as the left flake lay back that rotated onto the south face- I also started as Old Man Of Hoy but then cut up and right beneath the roof to finish as for Thought Control- a worthy variation, though a bit lichenous. Bring some snacks and hang out in the creek where the Zen will save your soul...-Izzy
    By doug rouse
    From: Denver, CO.
    Aug 11, 2008

    Greetings, I will post this as a three-star route...I loved this one when I first climbed it!. I found a clear head was all you needed when encountering some of the "run-out" spots. Anchors are up over the lip, right of the wall's apex, and are technically on the east face. Fun moves, unique rock, and a little spice make this an awesome 5.9. Peace, Young Doug.
    By Bruce Hildenbrand
    Sep 19, 2016

    Thought Control and Auspice have had their hardware (bolts and anchors) upgraded, thanks to the Anchor Replacement Initiative. Also, many thanks to the Flatirons Climbing Council, OSMP, and the Access Fund for making the work possible.

    Volunteers: Matt Samet, Kevin Riley - November 2009.

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