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The Brett Thompson and Scott Fuller Memorial Route 

YDS: 5.10 French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII- ZA: 19 British: E2 5b

Type:  Trad, 5 pitches
Original:  YDS: 5.10 French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII- ZA: 19 British: E2 5b [details]
FA: Michal Rynkiewicz, Chandler Davis, Ryan Hoover
New Route: Yes
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Submitted By: Ryan Hoover on May 2, 2016

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Another shot of Chandler on the splitter corner.

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An excellent route that follows the obvious splitter corner above lamplighter to the top of the wall. Although this may be one of the easiest full length upper wall routes, this climb requires heavy use of small, but never dangerous gear through sustained airy climbing. Not to be missed!

P1 - 5.10c Climb Lamplighter to the top of the chimney. Traverse left and follow up the slab to the anchor.

P2 - 5.9 The Frog Corner: Steep juggy crack climbing on perfect gear makes for one of the best 5.9 pitches at Index. From here, your gear need only fit typical hand-sized and smaller cracks. So leave all gear from #3 and up at the top anchor.

P3 - 5.10 Pull a steep roof past a few bolts. Fun steep climbing on small gear follows. Finish the pitch on a leftward seam and follow up to the chains.

P4 - 5.10- Climb straight up above the belay placing small cams. Clip a bolt and follow crimps up and right until reaching twin cracks. Traverse left at the bolt and continue up steep terrain to the anchor. Leave all gear at the top anchor.

P5 - 5.10- Clip all bolts up fun crimpy climbing to the top.


Start up Lamplighter. Break left at the top of the chimney.


12 draws, rack of nuts including brassies, doubles to 2", single #3/#4. One could bring extra's to .4 if you want some extra comfort. Rappel with a 70 meter rope.

Photos of The Brett Thompson and Scott Fuller Memorial Route Slideshow Add Photo
Rock Climbing Photo: Chandler on P5.
Chandler on P5.
Rock Climbing Photo: Pulling the steep roof on P3 of The Brett Thompson...
Pulling the steep roof on P3 of The Brett Thompson...
Rock Climbing Photo: Michal high on P4
Michal high on P4
Rock Climbing Photo: Chandler at the start of the amazing 5.9 pitch.
Chandler at the start of the amazing 5.9 pitch.
Rock Climbing Photo: Red: Brett and Scott. Blue: Crimson Eye
Red: Brett and Scott. Blue: Crimson Eye
Rock Climbing Photo: Michal on P4.
Michal on P4.
Rock Climbing Photo: Pitch 4
Pitch 4
Rock Climbing Photo: Breaking left from Lamplighter.
Breaking left from Lamplighter.
Rock Climbing Photo: Rocking the "Doug Taylor" on P3.
Rocking the "Doug Taylor" on P3.

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By Jon Nelson
From: Bellingham, WA
May 2, 2016

Looks like a fantastic new route, and so nice to see the moderate grade.

A few questions -

1) What is the story with Brett Thompson and Scott Fuller?

2) On pitch 1, where is the top of the chimney in relation to the point where Heaven's gate p1 goes right? (I can see the new bolt in the picture, but can't place the location exactly.)

3) What do you mean by a "#3"? Is this basically, a fist-size cam?

Nice find! Darryl had long talked about freeing the full Lamplighter, but it looks like you discovered an even better route.
By Ryan Hoover
May 2, 2016

Thanks, John. The route is to remember two good friends who have passed. The bolt your seeing is on the way to the anchor for Another Man's Car, which is where the frog corner starts up and left. As for a #3, wide hands to small fist would be correct.

Lamplighter free looks great, but would require some serious vertical gardening skills!
By Jon Nelson
From: Bellingham, WA
May 2, 2016

It's sad to hear about your passed friends, but if you like, you can click "add text" to add a new section to tell us all a little about them.

I'm looking forward to trying this route. Thanks for cleaning and equipping it. Maybe someday we'll get Darryl out there to help clean Lamplighter.

So, the #3 refers to a Black Diamond cam? Totem? Link? (Note - this info doesn't help me, as I have only ancient gear, but might help others.)
By derekpearson Pearson
May 2, 2016

Nice work, I'm so impressed with all the new routing you guys are doing together as a team. So stoked !
By James Ellis
From: Seattle, Washington
May 2, 2016

I didn't know Scott but Brett was a dear friend. Thanks for this, guys. Can't wait to climb it.

Question, when you say triples to .4 does that mean triples all the way from the smallest c3/tcu size? Are ballnuts and/or RPs needed?
By Chandler D
May 3, 2016
rating: 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b

This climb is really really good worthy of Scott and bretts names they would be psyched
By kathyc chung
Jun 8, 2016
rating: 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b

Just did this yesterday. First two pitches are great! As a note, a single 70m will just barely get you down all the way from the top of the second pitch - tie knots.

Last three pitches did not seem to "fit" with the first two...lots and lots of sport climbing moves (some awkward)...gear and bolts are so-so...generally the sport moves seem a bit fragmented to get to the top.

Still an ok day out, glad to get on something new. If you are a 10/+ crack climber the first two pitches are great while you wait for the DHLA queue. If you are 10+ sport climber the last three pitches are fine/ok (but got to get through the first two :)).
By Chandler D
Jun 8, 2016
rating: 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b

Fine/ok??that blows my mind of course we all have our own opinions but i have been climbing for 9 years and those fine /ok pitches are awesome i am truely blown away i hope more people get on it soon who appreciate all styles of climbing because it seems as if your not the right person to judge sport style climbing im glad u had a ok day though and voiced your opinion i was wondering if others would think it is as quality as we did. Guess not everyone. I really hope your guys opinions dont cause others to overlook this beautiful route. Yall should hop on the crimson eye much more sporty but i would be curious of your opinions
By wayne wallace
From: Seattle
Jun 13, 2016
rating: 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b

I dont understand how anyone that can climb this route wouldn't enjoy it? It is fantastic, and will only get better with traffic. I didnt need quite the gear list that this page suggests either.
I did a journal post on my site :
By Alex Ford
From: Seattle, Washington
Jun 21, 2016

Climbed on the second sunny day after heavy rain; we found the cruxes of P3 seeping (but climbable) and the rest of the route dry. For reference, there were still limited seeps on several LTW routes the morning we climbed.

Excellent face climbing on the last three pitches. Very enjoyable movement, great holds appearing when needed, and a fantastic position. We felt that the route could be very safely led with a standard rack with doubles from 00TCU/.1X4 through #2 C4 and singles in #3 & #4 C4.
By AlpineDave
Jun 27, 2016

Fun route and p3 is fantastic, especially for that moderate of a grade on the UTW. I agree with those above saying that a double rack will work just fine with singles of #3 and #4. You could place triples in the red C3 (aka yellow X4), but a nut or two would also suffice.
By Ryan Hoover
Jun 28, 2016

I'll update the gear list, we had a mess of gear with us and couldn't remember what we used!
By Loganator
From: blue van, on the highway to no
Jul 5, 2016

Did the route this weekend. Steller climbing as always! The saga of the upper town wall continues with this masterpiece! My 2 cents:

10+/11- is fair grade. I found 3 bouldery cruxes on pitches 3 and 4 that could all be the one or two hardest move on the route. Each move has perfect gear with clean falls. And not one of those moves is any harder than the lamplighter 1st pitch so... I guess its 10+, right?

I stitched up P4, causing rope drag to be a bit of a problem. Knowing the protection on this route would probably make it feel much easier.

We didn't place the number 4. Doubles up to #1, single 2 and single 3 would send this thing safely. I brought a few offset aliens which worked well in pitches 3+4. And my brass offsets are worth their weight in gold!
By MorganH
Jul 17, 2016

Fun climbing. The 4th pitch was super fun, and the rest were worth climbing. Lamplighter is definitely the crux. I linked the 4th pitch into the 5th pitch without any trouble, it's a nice straight line. 70m rope just barely got us to the ground from the top of the frog corner with rope stretch.

A single set of cams up through a #3 Camelot is fine, with a few small nuts to supplement.
By Chris Mutzel
From: Seattle, Washington
Jul 22, 2016

Adding my opinion to all the notes on gear here....
-I think even a double rack is overkill. If you are confident at the grade, singles to BD #3 would be fine, given how many bolts there are, even for lamplighter...
-I don't think we ever even placed the number 3, as there are plenty of other options on the 5.9 pitch and lamplighter.
By RafaelH
Aug 21, 2016

Finally got some time.
Must say, a very fun route, it is just FUN! Loved it!
Lamplighter is a very typical gym style jug-pull with a bolt at the crux and is 10b if dry. Next is a superb 5.9, much better than Godzilla (yes, I said it :). P3, P4 and P5 are excellent, no runouts, no superficial bolts, P3 crux takes a bomber 0.75, and there is a bolt right after. I did not place any nuts on the route, not sure if #3 was used either. Gear does not have to be doubled up, but green and yellow Aliens could be used more than once on P3.
There is a really nice, flat and spacious ledge at the top with stone benches!
With more repeats and chalk the route will max at 10c. Really worth repeating, with wine.
By Michael Carter
Jul 19, 2017
rating: 5.10c/d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b

great route! can't believe it took me so long to climb it!

Some rack notes: We did not place a single nut or RP on the entire route. We were able to place cams whenever an extra piece was needed. a double rack to #2 BD and single #3 and #4 was nice. We left the #3 & #4 at the top of pitch 2, and if we did it again would also leave the second #1, and #2. Below the BD 0.5, we had doubles of Metolius which came in handy! and the last pitch was only bolts. rapping went smoothly, and we were barely able to get down from the top of pitch 2 all the way to the ground with our 70m rope!
By Ben Gilkison
Aug 11, 2017

Amazing new route!! Protection wherever needed and good variety of crack and face climbing. Absolutely relished the patina style face on p. 4. Thank you FA team. 10d/11a seems fair for on-sight grade. 93 degrees today, but still nice climbing after 5pm.

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