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Something Interesting 

YDS: 5.7+ French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 200'
Original:  YDS: 5.7+ French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
FA: Hans Kraus, Ken Prestrud, Bonnie Prudden, 1946. FFA: Art Gran, 1950's
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Submitted By: Guy H. on Feb 21, 2006  with updates from gtluke

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This great route is very popular, so plan ahead.

The Something Interesting access trail is about a 6-min. walk from the Uberfall, or a 2-min. walk from where the East Trapps Connector Trail meets the carriage road. When the leaves are down, you'll spot the crack from the carriage road, and the access trail is just a few feet further. At the cliff, walk left to get to the start, below a long crack about 30' right of Three Pines.

P1: Follow a right-leaning finger crack to a bulge with a large reach, then surmount that to a ledge. There are several pitons to reassure you that you're in the right place.

P2: Continue up the crack and fun face above to the GT ledge. Gear anchor.

It's easy enough to link P1 and P2 in one 140' pitch to the GT - just bring lots of runners and gear. It's possible to rappel from the Three Pines bolts at the GT ledge (2 ropes, or 2 raps with 1 rope).

P3: Climb a left-facing dihedral behind the (missing) pine tree to a the larger right-facing dihedral above. Follow this to a bolt anchor. 5.7+, 90'.

The Dangler used to be listed as a variation for P3.

Rap with one rope using the bolted stations between Three Pines and Something Interesting.

Note if you're wanting to set up a TR or top belay: the bolted station at the top of P1 doesn't work well for TR or top belaying; they are 20' to the left of the pitch. At the GT, there are giant rocks at the top of the P2 that you can sling for a top belay (and plenty of gear placements available).


Standard Rack, extra finger-sized gear.

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Rock Climbing Photo: Something Interesting
Something Interesting
Rock Climbing Photo: At the crux.  Or at least the first crux.
At the crux. Or at least the first crux.
Rock Climbing Photo: This is near the start, just follow the crack!
This is near the start, just follow the crack!
Rock Climbing Photo: Something Interesting for a warm day in January
Something Interesting for a warm day in January
Rock Climbing Photo: Following p.1 of Something Intersting.
Following p.1 of Something Intersting.
Rock Climbing Photo: Alex cleans up the first pitch of Something Intere...
BETA PHOTO: Alex cleans up the first pitch of Something Intere...
Rock Climbing Photo: Fred leading up the second pitch of Something Inte...
Fred leading up the second pitch of Something Inte...
Rock Climbing Photo: Having fun on Something Interesting
Having fun on Something Interesting
Rock Climbing Photo: Awesome fun classic lead!!
Awesome fun classic lead!!
Rock Climbing Photo: I highly recommend topping out.  This last pitch, ...
I highly recommend topping out. This last pitch, ...

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By Spiro
Apr 9, 2008
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

fun route, combined first and second pitch.
By Jeff Welch
From: Denver, CO
Jun 15, 2008

It's funny, this route was very reminiscent of some 5.9+/5.10- routes in other areas.
In any case, this climb is incredible. A few doubles in the #3-6 Rock range are useful, but not required.
Do this route.
By slim
Jun 8, 2009
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

interesting indeed, particularly the second pitch variation.
By Zivigliano
From: New York, NY
Oct 15, 2009

Great long climb, however above the crux a chunk of rock broke off (slightly larger than a softball). Be careful as I noticed other spots on the route with weak or rotten rock, including a large attached flake.
By doligo
Nov 1, 2010

Couple of notes, the Grey Dick divides the climb into 2 pitches: P1 follows the crack all the way to the GT Ledge (140 feet), it really doesn't make sense breaking the pitch into 2, unless you want to talk your second through the crux #1. Oh, and there is no need to follow pitons - the route follows the most obvious crack - it can be seen from the carriage road. P2 goes up left facing corner, swings right onto the face, then traverses left to the right facing corner up to bolted anchors. The crux is just off the GT ledge but is protected by a pin. The traverse is unprotected, but is relatively easy, so if you have a nervous second it's better to protect your second with double ropes or they would come close to hitting the GT ledge.

There is a bolted anchor station on top of P2 (different from the Three Pines Anchor), 2 60M ropes will get you all the way to the ground. It doesn't look like the top pitch gets climbed too often, but if anything, the rappel itself is worth going all the way to the top, if you don't want to wait on a conga line at Three Pines.

Re climbing: I'm 5'5 and found the crux#1 way too reachy for me, so I backed off it. Even as a second it was challenging, but I think I figured out the move (for anyone shorter than 5'7 it's a full on 5.7++). Crux#2 is not that bad (if you find the secret hold - don't sandbag yourself into a 5.9-5.10 move like my partner did). P2 crux is very awkward and also very reachy, can't believe it's only 5.7!
By bheller
From: SL UT
Nov 1, 2010

Don't feel bad Dolgio...I think its 5.9...
By S. Neoh
Nov 2, 2010

Bring a full rack and enough slings and draws with the intent to do the route from the base to the GT ledge in one push. You will be pleased with yourself. Maybe a tad shorter than 140 feet. The pitch above the GT is a little dirty but worthy doing; quite different from the 1st. IMO, P1 is still still easier and less nervy than Drunkard's Delight.
Nov 2, 2010

In another area, SI may well have been 5.9!

While I am guilty of legendary whining about other routes being reachy - this is not one of them. That said, it might take a few trips up it to figure out the best sequence or holds for you - there are many ways to skin the cat, on both cruxes.
By doligo
Nov 2, 2010

I would like to blame it on sore muscles from trailwork the day before and on numb fingers from cold, but it's the same lame excuse as being short! Can't wait to get back on it.
By losbill
Nov 2, 2010
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

Ditto what jsh said about cat skinning. Not sure there is any need to reach.

BTW my PG13 rating is based on the second pitch (P3 as described above). Unless I missed something definitely kersplat potential for leader and a swinging smack into opposing face for second. I won't do it again.
By divnamite
From: New York, NY
Nov 4, 2010
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

Crux 1 has not so obvious move, but is not reachy. For the pitch off the GT, the crux is right at the start, protected by a piton. I don't think that's where the splat is, is it?
By losbill
Nov 5, 2010
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

Jammed a yellow C4 in as I left the GT ledge. Wasn't going to keep me off the belay ledge but would keep me from bouncing off and going further. Got pretty high up before getting anything else in. Felt I was in ledge fall zone pretty much from the first move. Don't recall a piton coming into play.
By doligo
Nov 5, 2010

There is a pin on the right side of the dihedral, right by where you're supposed to exit onto the face. I also thought the start of the pitch was a bit uncomfortable even with the pin - even getting to it is kind of spicy - there is big boulder on the GT ledge right underneath so you can't just jump off if you had to.
By SethG
May 11, 2011

I also would recommend the final pitch from the GT ledge. As long as the pin is good it is protected. The crux move is around the corner right above the pin. It is a cool, unusual move! The rest is just fun, with an easy but airy traverse and fun moves up the final corner. I found adequate pro for the traverse and then ample placements in the final corner.
By worth russell
From: Brooklyn, NY
Jun 7, 2011

I think the pitch above the gt ledge is a scary waste of time. It's a one-move wonder with serious groundfall potential. P1 is sweet, sweet, sweet. The 1st crux is the hardest, but i'm 5'6" and it was no big deal. As far as gear, I would say G for P1 and pg-13 for the crux move on p2. The pin on p2 can be backed up.
By marcin
Dec 6, 2011

We linked P1 and P2 into one pitch. We used mainly stopper nuts. It took some additional time to feel the moves for crux #1. Great climb.
By Galen Rahmlow
From: Woodbury, MN
Apr 28, 2012

Great climb lots of fun. Ended up finishing the three pines 5.6 variation.
By farkas.time
From: Albuquerque, NM
May 29, 2012
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

p1 is long and great. p2 is short, but with some sweeet movement.
By CatChen
From: Germantown, MD
Aug 6, 2012

Best to link P1 and P2 and go straight to the GT ledge. I'm 5'3" and had no issues with reach. Bring lots of nuts. They were easier to place than cams in the shallow vertical crack. Save some 1-3" pieces for the anchor on the GT.
By Drew_n Nichols
From: Park City, UT
Aug 13, 2012

Hey everyone, fun route, highly recommended.

A variation question: On the GT ledge, we went just to the left (towards the bolted anchor for Three Pines) and climbed a short, steep roof that fed straight into the 2nd pitch dihedral for Something Interesting. It was fun, seemed to protect OK and felt moderate (I hesitate to even profess a ratings guess on a Gunks route!).

I cannot seem to find it in the Williams or Swain books, am I missing something?

By lucander
From: Stone Ridge, NY
Sep 8, 2012
rating: 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c

The third piton (high up) is gone. I'll miss clipping that thing, but there are many protection options.
By gblauer Blauer
From: Wayne, PA
Sep 25, 2012

Yikes, I missed the pin at the second crux. I was looking all around for it and it was gone! Stupidly, I didn't stop to place gear, I climbed through a couple more moves then placed some pro in a great horizontal. Lack of pin threw me off a bit!
Sep 27, 2012

I'll miss that pin too, just for the sound it made.
Dave, 9- ?
By lucander
From: Stone Ridge, NY
Oct 2, 2012
rating: 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c

Ya, 5.9-

When I first climbed it, I was leading 5.7s...and this route felt hard for the grade. I've had several visiting friends from out of town grade it for me, they all range in the 8-9 range.
By Benjaminadk
From: San Pedro, California
Nov 9, 2012

nice long climb. the grade seems acceptable for the gunks in my opinion. if i was called 5.8 it would make sense too. its sustained but not a 5.9 no matter what anyone's friend's say. esp when thinking of some other nines of climbed at the gunks.
By gblauer Blauer
From: Wayne, PA
Aug 9, 2014

Did this again today. There are a lot of comments about the crux being reachy. I am 5'2" and I do not find the first or second crux reachy at all. This is a great climb with "G" rated pro all the way up to the GT ledge.
By Aaron Hwang
Oct 13, 2014

Did this guy yesterday. Placed a brown tricam somewhere before some move I wasn't sure about. My second and two other parties after us were unable to retrieve it. Seems that I left a permanent piece in something interesting. If you can get it out, it's yours. The route truly is something interesting.

The first crux took a while for me to sequence out. Definitely fair for the grade at the gunks.
By Brian
From: North Kingstown, RI
Jul 25, 2015
rating: 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

I just did this route again after many years. Like many Gunks routes the rating should be according to height. The Gunks is full of horizontals and if you can reach the next horizontal jug it may feel like 5.7 but it you can't it may feel like 5.10.

So this is an approximation of the rating based on height, according to me, your mileage may vary.
6.2 ft 5.7
5.10 ft 5.8
5.6 ft 5.9
5.2 ft 5.10
By Dom R
From: Estes Park, Colorado
Dec 16, 2015

Easy to link pitches, definitely would fit the 5.8 or 5.8+ bill at a place like Eldo, but it's a fair gunks grade especially looking at the date it was climbed. Respect your elders. As for the gear at the second crux, theres a perfect horizontal right below the hard move. The movement on this climb is fantastic and throws a little bit of everything at you as far as the gunks go. Felt good to even get a few corner moves and hand jams in below the second crux.
By Systematic
Jun 13, 2016
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

P2 is worth doing at least once. Mostly just exposed climbing but I did find 1 5.7PG move. I'm not sure where the pin used to be, but there is good pro (I placed 2 cams) in the broken corner / crack system that protects the first 1.5 moves.
By David Kerkeslager
From: Brooklyn, NY
Sep 11, 2017
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a PG13

The first pitch is interesting, the second pitch is "interesting". 5.7 is a heavy sandbag. Elders are nice and all, but the second pitch would be very dangerous for a 5.7 or even a 5.8 leader. Besides the difficulty and ledge-fall potential, there's a good amount of loose rock. It's the kind where it's obvious you shouldn't grab it (completely detached rocks somewhere between football and microwave sized) but it would be easy to kick one off the ledge by accident.

In the second pitch crux I found some hand jams that were better for me than any of the available face-style holds.

Whatever you do, don't stem up the easy holds in the second pitch dihedral to the roof, that way leads to sorrow.
By David Kerkeslager
From: Brooklyn, NY
Sep 11, 2017
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a PG13

Just to add: don't miss the rappel from the top of Madame G! With 2 60m ropes you can reach the ground in one rappel, so make friends with a neighboring party and share ropes. The rappel is into the air, with an amazing view across the Middle Earth wall and out to Sky Top. This is my favorite rappel anywhere.

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