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YDS: 5.11 French: 6c+ Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E4 5c

Type:  Trad, 4 pitches, 400', Grade II
Original:  YDS: 5.11a French: 6c Ewbanks: 22 UIAA: VII+ ZA: 22 British: E3 5c [details]
FA: Bird, French, Draper, Greer
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Submitted By: Colin Moorhead on May 5, 2010

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Worthwhile route, well set up with modern anchors, can be climbed and descended with one 60m rope.

P1. 5.11a, Short, stout tight hands leads to easier climbing.

P2. 5.10c, Tricky bolted face leads to easier hand/ finger crack.

P3. 5.10b, Beautiful fingers and hands supplemented with plentiful face holds.

P4. 5.11a, More of the same, with short crux at the end protected by bristler.

Note either pitch 2&3 or 3&4 could easily be linked (recommended)


Supertopo rack description is a tad overkill.

2x Blue, yellow, orange metolius. .75, 1 BD. 1x 2,3 BD. 1x nuts. Add 1 extra yellow and orange metolius if you want to link pitches.

Photos of Smashmouth Slideshow Add Photo
Rock Climbing Photo: Neil Kauffman follows pitch 3.
Neil Kauffman follows pitch 3.
Rock Climbing Photo: Amazing climbing and scenery towards the top of P3...
Amazing climbing and scenery towards the top of P3...
Rock Climbing Photo: looking up at smash mouth from the bottom of P1
BETA PHOTO: looking up at smash mouth from the bottom of P1
Rock Climbing Photo: Pitch one thin hands. It looks fingerish here, but...
Pitch one thin hands. It looks fingerish here, but...
Rock Climbing Photo: pitch 3
pitch 3
Rock Climbing Photo: looking up pitch 4
looking up pitch 4
Rock Climbing Photo: top of pitch 2
top of pitch 2
Rock Climbing Photo: pitch 1 corner
pitch 1 corner
Rock Climbing Photo: smashmouth follows the obvious zigzagging splitter...
BETA PHOTO: smashmouth follows the obvious zigzagging splitter...
Rock Climbing Photo: Smashmouth topo
BETA PHOTO: Smashmouth topo
Rock Climbing Photo: Pitch 4 of Smashmouth.
Pitch 4 of Smashmouth.

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By Mike
From: Phoenix
May 25, 2010
rating: 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c

This is an excellent route. The top 2 pitches are outstanding! Although the 5.11+ rating in the Supertopo guide did seem seem a bit excessive, I wouldn't call it 11- either. My pitch-by pitch ratings were:
P1: 10+
P2: 10+
P3: 11-
P4: 11

Regardless of the rating, this route is heaps of fun.
By Jay 1975
From: Bonedale,CO
Mar 8, 2011

5.11 route. the bolt at the top was also unnecessary. sweet outing!
By Joe Sambataro
From: Seattle, WA
Nov 23, 2011

Amazing route! I agree with Mike's pitch break down: 10+, 10+, 11- and 11. Agreed, bolt isn't necessary at the top of the 4th pitch. I also concur that SuperTopo rack list is a bit overkill but the post here is a little sparse for the average 5.11 climber. I would recommend:

2 green aliens
4 yellow aliens/TCUs
6 red aliens/0.5 camalots
Doubles from .75 to #2, and nothing bigger.
Set of nuts optional (not a lot of constrictions in this splitter!)

Linking pitch 2 & 3 or 3 & 4 is definitely possible if you are ok running it out a bit or if you bring extra mid size cams as listed above.
By Angela Mabe
From: Flagstaff,AZ
Apr 2, 2012
rating: 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c

wow! awesome route! i thought that the 3rd pitch was the crux, 4th pitch was just as amazing and the 2nd pitch was so fun, i was giggling like a kid in a candy shop. def a must do :)
By Darren Mabe
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 2, 2012
rating: 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c

Better than Fine Jade in Castle Valley. Not to split hairs, but my pitch breakdown would be more like:
P1: 10+/11- stiff out of the gate, jamming the hollow flake. Watch for drag. 100'
P2: 10- elegant traversing face moves, and secure crack climbing with great feet. 70'
P3: 11 sustained bits of left-leaning fingers, some sharp thin hand jams and smears for you left foot. 75'
P4: 11- excellent with good rests and cool finishing sequence. I also thought this pitch was easier than the 3rd and I didn't mind clipping the bolt. What's a bristler? 65'

Joe's gear suggestion worked well, though i used
(2)0.3 C4
(2)0.4 C4
Aliens: yellow, grey, red
(4) 0.5 C4
(2) 0.75 C4
(2) 1 C4
(2) 2 C4

I actually would have liked a #3 camalot in a few spots, but is not necessary.
By steven sadler
From: SLC, UT
Jul 19, 2012

would anyone disagree with me removing that unnecessary bolt on pitch 4?
By Perin Blanchard
From: Orem, UT
Jul 19, 2012

I'll bet a certain Bird, French, Draper, and Greer would be opposed.
By Caleb Padgett
From: Rockville, utah
Jul 26, 2012

Steven, if you PM me I can get you the contact info of all the first ascenionists. I would urge you not to remove the bolt until you spoke with them. Until then, just don't clip it. Cheers.
By Spencer Weiler
From: Salt Lake city
Nov 25, 2012

Approach beta: The directions to this climb here or on the main confluence page seem nonexistent. From the turnout at the last switchback before the tunnel, hike west on a good trail for 10 or so minutes until the wall turns from north to west facing. Hike another 10 minutes along the wall's base past the gorgeous thin splitter "Crimson King", trending down till you can see the dark face with the splitter with a roof above it . The pictures posted here are very helpful. You can see the visitor center from the base of the climb. If the wall turns back north facing you've gone too far.

Weird how ratings/gear recommendation are all over the board on this one. The poster suggest 2 .5 camalots or equivalent, while another commenter suggests 6? After doing the route, let me say this: if you only bring 2, you'll be desperate, if you bring 6, you'll likely have 3 still sitting on your harness at the next belay. As for rating, Crimson King is way harder than any of the 5.11 pitches on SM, so I give this climb 11a. Hanging stances on p3 and p4, easy rap with one rope.

6 qd's
2 red c3
3 .3 camalot
4-5 .4 camalot
4-5 .5 camalot
99% of the gear for pitches 2-4 is in this range of sizes

-for pitch 1 only
1 .75 camalot
2 #1 camalot
1 #2 camalot
1 #3 camalot
By Phil Esra
Mar 31, 2013

Agree with Spencer about approach (though took us more time) and rack. Bring a pile of BD .4 to .5 or orange Metolii. Lots of decent stances for back cleaning if needed--that's what I did. Placed one medium nut total.

Looked all over the top of p4 for something that looked like a "bristler" but could not find it. Maybe it was trundled, or broke off.
By MaryH.
From: Carbondale, CO
Apr 20, 2013

Great route- definitely no harder than .11a, and I would say 4 .5 cams, 4 .4 cams, no #3 cam. Loved it!
By Landon McBrayer
From: Salt Lake City, UT
Oct 16, 2013

Spencer's beta is right on, as always. The goods are .4-.5 BD or yellow/orange metolii (didn't know that was plural; thanks Phil). So, bring lots of those sizes, and a single set of other cams (except 2 #1 camalots for the start). Leave the nuts at home.

Each pitch is VERY short. Pitch 1 and 2 can be combined if you're creative at managing drag, otherwise do them as two pitches. Pitches two and three can be combined, but what's the point since the top of pitch 3 is a full-on hanging belay? I recommend doing the first two pitches as advertised, and combining 3 and 4. There is really no need not to do so, unless you don't have the right gear. So, brings heaps of .4-.5 camalots and you can cruise P3-P4 as one pitch easily. Easy rap with a single 60. Enjoy this beauty!
By steven sadler
From: SLC, UT
Nov 11, 2013

Has anyone done this route in late November or early December? Or just in the winter anytime? Just wondering if it is in the sun long enough to be doable in the cold.
By Brian Hestetune
From: Logan, UT
Dec 11, 2013

Me and my friend did the route on Nov 29th. It was warm that weekend, (highs at 60?). It gets pretty good sun in the afternoon, but I imagine from the angle of the rock that the sun will hit it later and later as we get further into winter. We are the slowest climbers there are, and it took us 3-4 hours to complete (including rappelling). So that should still allow for at least a slightly shaded start with a sunny finish. It seemed like this climb gets sun almost an hour+ after the Crimson King does.

Also, on rappelling, with our 70m rope, we were able to rap in three raps: top of p4 to top of p3, top of p3 to the top of p1 (with a few feet to spare), and p1 to the ground.
By JeffL
From: Salt Lake City
Jan 27, 2014

The beginning of the first pitch was not obvious to me. I think I was too far right? At any rate it was chossy and dirty. Is there scrambling required to get to the thin hands crack and beginning of the route?
By Brian Hestetune
From: Logan, UT
Feb 4, 2014

Last I was there, there was a fairly beat in path that traverses left and then back right to the top of a pedestal-like feature. You then go up a short wideish right facing corner that takes you to a ledge and to the left slanting splitter thin hands crack (Two discontinuous cracks in one of the pictures above). The thin hands crack is relatively short and tops out to another ledge with a large bush on it, traverse right to the left facing corner with a buldge at the top. First pitch anchors are on top of that.
By Alec LaLonde
Mar 24, 2014
rating: 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c

This is a superb route, as good as if not better than the The Headache, with a similar length. Catches sun by around 1:30 in late March. I found p3 to be the crux, sustained fingers with few good rests. Linking p3/4 would make for one hell of a pitch, amongst the best in the entire Park.
By Wylie
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 9, 2014
rating: 5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c

Do yourself a favor, link 3 + 4 and don't clip the unnecessary bolt high on P4 for one hell of a pitch!
By Benjamin Clemens
Jan 17, 2015

Hey guys, I left a black Patagonia r1 at the top of pitch 2(start of 3). If you happen to come across it I will provide you with beer and an epic high 5. Let me know!
By Bares
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Jan 20, 2015

The block at the start of pitch 1 that created the two thin cracks has broken out almost completly. Now a perfect #1 bd crack in the back of the slot starts the rout. There is still a chock stone at the top of this section that is large and not very stable so be careful pulling around it. The crack is still very sandy and needs to be cleaned up.

I'm not sure if it has increased the difficulty of the pitch since I never climbed it prior to the block falling, but we were able to free it without incident.
By Ray Hellinger
From: Gunnison, CO
Mar 9, 2015

The block on the first pitch fell out. It is a thin hands splitter in the back of a flare now. Goes at 5.10. Not trying to be a sandbagged, but, this climb is not 5.11. 10+ at the most. If Crimson King and Inner Chi are both 5.11, this climb is only 5.10. Super fun and highly recommended!
By josh holcomb
From: Las Vegas, NV
Mar 29, 2015

However many finger sized cams you bring for the 3rd pitch make sure to have at least 1 or 2 left for the final vertical splitter to the chains. Part of the block at the start of the route still remains. It seemed a little sketchy.
By Luke Stefurak
From: Seattle, WA
Apr 26, 2015

We linked P1 and P2 then linked P3 and P4. This was fairly fun since I followed the first two and then led the last two, essentially getting to climb the full route without stopping.

For linking P1 and P2 you want to unclip the first bolt in the traverse after you clip the 2nd bolt. Ideally you also don't place anything between the P1 anchor and the bolts, or you back clean the piece.

With an 80m rope you can rap by going P4 - P2 and then to the ground. If your rope isn't strechy you may have down climb about 5 feet to the lower belay ledge. a 75m rope easily reaches the ledge below start of the thin hands crack

A nice person with some access to quicklinks could bring two 3/8" quicklinks for the top anchor. I just think it's silly to have a chain attached via a biner. The second quicklink will help get the lenght correct.
By Matt Farrell
From: Bend, Oregon
Feb 18, 2016
rating: 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

Just did this route. Awesome route! I would say:

p1: 10c
p2: 11a face past the bolts - easier crack.
p3: 11a
p4: 11b

All the anchors are excellently equipped. No need for anyone to bring up any quicklinks. All the hardware on this thing is shiny and burly - just the way you want it.

The lead bolt on p4 is totally extraneous, but hey - I clipped it...
By Austin-Tucker12 Tucker
From: Orem, Utah
Apr 20, 2016
rating: 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c

After doing this route on April 16th 2016, I can say a few things about it.
1. It's amazing, and a definite must do for anyone who likes splitter fingers.
2. Bring more .4s than you think. I brought more .5s than .4s and definitely was wishing I had the .4 sizes.
3. In my opinion, pitch 3 is harder than pitch 4. I thought pitch 3 was like 5.11 and pitch 4 was 11b-ish. My opinion only though.

Pitch one thin hands start is a bit sandy. But the jams are good and its only like 15 feet to a huge ledge and easier climbing.
Pitch two is a small boulder problem protected by way too many bolts and then you get to an easy crack.
Pitch three is perfect fingers (think .4 size) that is hidden behind a weird thin hands constriction thing. Hard to explain, but i found it somewhat difficult.
Pitch four is amazing fingers with two good rests in between cruxes. Save some juice for the ending! The bolt is unnecessary but like many others... I clipped it.

Go jump on it!
By Ty Dallas Mangum
Apr 26, 2016
rating: 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

Just did this last week, Great route! Absolutely worth doing!

My take on how the pitches felt.

P1 5.10

P2 5.10+

P3 5.11+

P4 5.11

Bring at least four BD .4's
By Mitch Y
Nov 5, 2016

This climb is definitely on par with Fine Jade. I believe Smashmouth is more continuous for the grade, but they are both excellent climbs. We only had a triple rack, but linked pitches 2&3 and I didn't feel like I needed any extra gear. Triples in .4 and .5 were sufficient.
By mpech
Feb 7, 2017

Overall the climb felt pretty average-- nothing spectacular. Shortness of the pitches detracts from the climb. A normal rack is fine, just bring some extra finger size pieces.
By Sgreg
Mar 21, 2017

With a 70m, you can rapp from top of p4, to P2 on Take Back the Rainbow. From this bolted stance you can re-join smash mouth p1. This can be nice if there are many parties on Smash Mouth and you don't want to rapp through people.

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