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Second Thoughts 

YDS: 5.10a French: 6a Ewbanks: 18 UIAA: VI+ ZA: 18 British: E1 5a

Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 160'
Original:  YDS: 5.10a French: 6a Ewbanks: 18 UIAA: VI+ ZA: 18 British: E1 5a [details]
FA: Herb Laeger and Dick Saume, December 1977
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Submitted By: Roger Linfield on Sep 13, 2006

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Initial slab leading to the roof of TS Special. A...


This route is primarily a face climb, although you wouldn't guess this from the ground. Start up the south buttress of Echo Rock. Instead of going up the prow as for T.S. Special, move right and around the corner, following a low angle dihedral. The dihedral soon becomes an ominous looking bombay chimney. At this point, move right and belay. Then climb up past three bolts (crux) and then continue up a corner to the top.


three bolts plus a standard rack

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By Russ Walling
Oct 12, 2011

Just did the first pitch today. Holy shit what an interesting pile. Giant runout on TS Special to get you started, then pop in some pro to start the rope drag, climb around right on suspect rock and eventually start heading down hill. Drop in some more pro in the oatmealish rock, wonder WTF for a while, here you can brush the ample grains from the crumbling handholds and place your feet on some ballbearing slopers.... all while sorta laying on your belly in a trough.... do the in-obvious moves out of the trough and then grovel into the station. Here you can place a few small cams and a couple of nuts in a crumbling horizontal crack. Bring up the second, who thinks they are gonna die, and they just might if they fall, and then get ready for the main event, a 3 bolt slab. This story will continue at some point.
By Herb Laeger
Aug 21, 2016

As I remember this climb, it did not start on TS but had its own start on the steeper face to the right. I remember it as a pretty good climb and I named it Second Thoughts because the second has second thoughts on the second pitch. The third pitch is extremely short and gets to the top. I also don't remember the pro being very serious. Perhaps people should take another look at this one, or perhaps I should have my head examined. It was a long time ago.

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