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Aug 17, 2016
[This account was created by an unknown, anonymous user who posted text copied from a private group meant for private discussion. They were not his words to post, especially as if they were in his own voice. Hence, I have deactivated the account and removed the original text and replies.

Now... if folks would like to discuss crowding and Rifle, there's certainly a valid discussion to have, so carry on! --Nick, Site Landlord]
frontrangefool
Joined Aug 17, 2016
0 points
Aug 18, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: I'M THE F***ING KING OF INTERNET CLIMBING BRAJ
Dang it!

Just when I was about to post some pics of ML I got from FB.


Nick, you're no fun ;)
Burcheydawwwwwwg
Joined Jan 9, 2012
1,273 points
Aug 18, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Slashface goodness taken by RTM
I feel like I just fell into a black hole. Now that this is gone what the hell am I to do with the rest of my work day?

Oh whatever.....maybe Locker will teach me how to clip some bolts.
Mike Brady
From Van Diesel, OR
Joined Jul 14, 2014
692 points
Aug 18, 2016
Now what are we going to do with our lynch mob? FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
284 points
Aug 18, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Yes
SERIOUSLY NICK?? I just went to home depot and bought like 50 pitch forks and torches.

But seriously, I think it was to generate healthy community discussion. I disagree with you choice to take it down.
grog m aka Greg McKee
Joined Aug 29, 2012
115 points
Aug 18, 2016
The relationship local climbers have with the city of Rifle is the best it has been for the twenty years I've lived here. The park is the cleanest and buffest it has ever been. The new bridges and trail work are phenomenal. The city has added parking spots. The outhouses are cleaned weekly. New dog waste stations have been installed in multiple spots in the canyon. The campground now allows overflow camping in a number of sites to cater specifically to climbers. Please don't insult the local people; just as many climbers speed down the road as any one else. Sometimes we put sticks in the road as temporary speed bumps. There's plenty for everyone to climb at every level. Park a little tighter in your spots so another car fits. Walk or ride a bike between walls or down from the campground. It's maybe a 15-20 minute casual walk from the Arsenal to the Ruckman. Pay the daily park fee at the kiosk or buy a yearly pass from the campground host. Enjoy your experience. Don't expect solitude on a summer weekend at one of the best sport climbing destinations in North America (though you might find it). Do expect a wonderful time in a beautiful park managed by the good people of Rifle, Colorado. Bryan Gall
From New Castle, CO
Joined Sep 15, 2002
297 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Aleks
frontrangefool wrote:
[This account was created by an unknown, anonymous user who posted text copied from a private group meant for private discussion. They were not his words to post, especially as if they were in his own voice. Hence, I have deactivated the account and removed the original text and replies. Now... if folks would like to discuss crowding and Rifle, there's certainly a valid discussion to have, so carry on! --Nick, Site Landlord]


climbing friend,

what is with the secrecy? other thread on this topic deleted also. this man he post a douche rant in a "closed" facebook group with over 982 group members, most of whom he for probable is not knowing. do not understand your logic that it's somehow secret or protected or unfair to discuss here. This was not a statement to one or handful of people, he is wang-slapping through tubes of internet in group of almost 1,000 on facebook, which amounts to a public forum.

perhaps he is secret double agent for REI and Black Diamond, serving our corporate overlords, on covert mission, therefore must be protected at all cost?
Aleks Zebastian
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2014
162 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Slashface goodness taken by RTM
I'm going with REI-luminati.

If you guys don't hear from me on Monday please send help.
Mike Brady
From Van Diesel, OR
Joined Jul 14, 2014
692 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: At the BRC
Aleks Zebastian wrote:
climbing friend, what is with the secrecy? other thread on this topic deleted also. this man he post a douche rant in a "closed" facebook group with over 982 group members, most of whom he for probable is not knowing. do not understand your logic that it's somehow secret or protected or unfair to discuss here. This was not a statement to one or handful of people, he is wang-slapping through tubes of internet in group of almost 1,000 on facebook, which amounts to a public forum. perhaps he is secret double agent for REI and Black Diamond, serving our corporate overlords, on covert mission, therefore must be protected at all cost?



Maybe frontrangefool wasn't ML.

In which case somebody else reposting his FB rant without his permission seems kind of dubious to me.

Not that there's much truly private on the internet.
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
517 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Aleks
climbing friend,

how would it be being kind of dubious?

If you are the one a posting a douche rant to the facebook group of 982 people under real name and facebook account, there is supposed to be some expectation of privacy and you are not opening yourself up to criticism?

I call, how you say, "bullshit."

perhaps he's friends with an admin, he also seems to have backpedaled on facebook and requested that the entire posting be deleted, lol
Aleks Zebastian
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2014
162 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: At the BRC
Aleks Zebastian wrote:
climbing friend, how would it be being kind of dubious? If you are the one a posting a douche rant to the facebook group of 982 people under real name and facebook account, there is supposed to be some expectation of privacy and you are not opening yourself up to criticism? I call, how you say, "bullshit." perhaps he's friends with an admin, he also seems to have backpedaled on facebook and requested that the entire posting be deleted, lol


Because it's a closed FB group.

On the other hand, if somebody posted

"I read this on the Rifle FB page
....."

that seems less dubious to me. But somebody posting his rant, as if it is him doing the posting, that doesn't seem right.

Anyway, I have no idea who posted on MP, and don't know ML.

His rant reminds me of the famous Swift essay about Irish children.

online-literature.com/swift/94...
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
517 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Aleks
climbing friend,


Rock Climbing Photo: cmon guise
cmon guise
Aleks Zebastian
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2014
162 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Aleks
Mark E Dixon wrote:
Because it's a closed FB group. On the other hand, if somebody posted "I read this on the Rifle FB page ....." that seems less dubious to me. Anyway, I have no idea who posted on MP, and don't know ML. His rant reminds me of the famous Swift essay about Irish children. online-literature.com/swift/94...


climbing friend mark,

that's exactly what I did, yessssss, in the other thread, and the admin deleted it.

The rifle climbers facebook group is "closed" hmmmmyah but pretty much anyone may join yes unless you have a fake account yes as far as I can tell, and again with 982 members yes most of whom he doesn't know yes it's a joke yes to call it private.
Aleks Zebastian
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2014
162 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: I'M THE F***ING KING OF INTERNET CLIMBING BRAJ
Wait.




You mean what I post on the internet is fair game?!?!?!?








I THOUGHT MY POSTZ WERE SECRUT PRIVAT!1!!!11!


All kidding aside, of course there's a "closed" FB group for upper-end sportos in Colorado. Of course there is.
Burcheydawwwwwwg
Joined Jan 9, 2012
1,273 points
Aug 19, 2016
Lots of misunderstanding about closed groups on Facebook. With a closed group, the name of it, its members, and its description can be seen by the public—basically everything but the posts in the group. A group admin - which can be everyone in the group - needs to approve new group members, but this is done more to avoid spambots and could be handy for a group that wants to create the illusion of exclusivity.

Nick, MP site landlord really missed the point when he wrote: "...text copied from a private group meant for private discussion."

IOW, a closed group isn't some secret group that is trying to hide its posts nor is it a private group intended for private discussion. That's what secret groups are for on Facebook.
Marc801
From Sandy, Utah
Joined Feb 25, 2014
64 points
Aug 19, 2016
OP stance seems legit. Chop it all. Then I can go fishing without having to dodge a bunch of anorexic posers on the road or hear another man-child throwing wobblers from a half mile away. That's a joke for the slow among you.

If you are truly interested in the history of Rifle Mtn Park, this is a nice little article from the local paper, although the writer doesn't seem to know difference between limestone and granite:

postindependent.com/news/rifle...
Will S
From Joshua Tree
Joined Nov 15, 2006
1,377 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: I'M THE F***ING KING OF INTERNET CLIMBING BRAJ
Will S wrote:
OP stance seems legit. Chop it all. Then I can go fishing without having to dodge a bunch of anorexic posers on the road or hear another man-child throwing wobblers from a half mile away. That's a joke for the slow among you. If you are truly interested in the history of Rifle Mtn Park, this is a nice little article from the local paper, although the writer doesn't seem to know difference between limestone and granite: postindependent.com/news/rifle...


I'll chop father figure!!!!
Burcheydawwwwwwg
Joined Jan 9, 2012
1,273 points
Aug 19, 2016
Burcheydawwwwwwg wrote:
I'll chop father figure!!!!


Now that you're a father, I guess that would be legit too!

There are some places I've climbed that have real reasons to not establish easier routes, but its not about crowding or elitism, just rock quality and the chance of killing people at the base on the chossier lower angle stuff.

Frustration Creek comes to mind, the upper tier main wall is reasonably clean, but the warmup pitch is 11d, most of the routes are 12s and 13s. The easier stuff lower is a nightmare of loose garbage and everyone going into the crag has to walk in the drop zone.
Will S
From Joshua Tree
Joined Nov 15, 2006
1,377 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Aleks
Marc801 wrote:
Lots of misunderstanding about closed groups on Facebook. With a closed group, the name of it, its members, and its description can be seen by the public—basically everything but the posts in the group. A group admin - which can be everyone in the group - needs to approve new group members, but this is done more to avoid spambots and could be handy for a group that wants to create the illusion of exclusivity. Nick, MP site landlord really missed the point when he wrote: "...text copied from a private group meant for private discussion." IOW, a closed group isn't some secret group that is trying to hide its posts nor is it a private group intended for private discussion. That's what secret groups are for on Facebook.


climbing friend,

yessssss, yess, yesssssssssssssssssss my precioussssssss,

"intended for private discussion" it was not, or you wouldn't post it online under your real name to 982 people, probably 800-900+ of them total strangers
Aleks Zebastian
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2014
162 points
Aug 19, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Belledonne skiing Cime du Sambuis
Bryan Gall wrote:
The relationship local climbers have with the city of Rifle is the best it has been for the twenty years I've lived here. The park is the cleanest and buffest it has ever been. The new bridges and trail work are phenomenal. The city has added parking spots. The outhouses are cleaned weekly. New dog waste stations have been installed in multiple spots in the canyon. The campground now allows overflow camping in a number of sites to cater specifically to climbers. Please don't insult the local people; just as many climbers speed down the road as any one else. Sometimes we put sticks in the road as temporary speed bumps. There's plenty for everyone to climb at every level. Park a little tighter in your spots so another car fits. Walk or ride a bike between walls or down from the campground. It's maybe a 15-20 minute casual walk from the Arsenal to the Ruckman. Pay the daily park fee at the kiosk or buy a yearly pass from the campground host. Enjoy your experience. Don't expect solitude on a summer weekend at one of the best sport climbing destinations in North America (though you might find it). Do expect a wonderful time in a beautiful park managed by the good people of Rifle, Colorado.


+1
Rui Ferreira
From Longmont, CO
Joined Jul 2, 2003
884 points


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