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Mar 9, 2012
Been mountaineering for a while but starting to get into technical canyoneering and am disappointed that beta is nearly impossible to find. I think that canyons would fit well here on mountain project. They would need to enable the different rating system but we already have at least 3 rating systems on the site so that shouldn't be too hard.

Anyone else think this would be a good idea?
Nicholas Sealy
From Golden, CO
Joined Oct 2, 2006
0 points
Mar 9, 2012
I agree with Nicholas... canyoneering would be a nice addition to MP. Robert Buswold
From Longmont, CO
Joined Jul 5, 2010
20 points
Mar 9, 2012
canyonproject.com - I'm going to register this domain real quick and sell it in a month for thousand$ Matt N
From Santa Barbara, CA
Joined Oct 20, 2010
180 points
Mar 9, 2012
The beta is out there on many of the popular canyons. If you're descending into canyons that you cannot find beta on... consider yourself lucky. Personally, I think one of the more appealing aspects of technical canyoneering is the lack of beta and truer adventuring spirit of it.

I oppose, but would peruse.
BackCountry Sortor
From Ogden, UT
Joined Oct 29, 2009
295 points
Mar 9, 2012
I bet that most MPers would prefer to keep this site as is, as to not expose this site to say, non-climbing hikers, and canyoneering folks who may then start frequenting MP to join in the MP forums, and community, and such. I personally wouldn't mind it, as I'm a climber who also enjoys canyoneering, and would appreciate the great beta a canyoneering "climber" could offer, but I can envision that it might create some pot shots, and potholes within the MP climbing community further down canyon.

Just my 2 pennies. : )
Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
1,315 points
Mar 9, 2012
I'm all for technical canyons being represented on MP. However, there is a forum catagory for Other Sports where info on this subject could reside. Also, canyoneering forums are out there on the Net but it would be intersting to hear about canyoning here too. Jeff Ludwig
From phoenix, Az
Joined Mar 16, 2011
20 points
Mar 9, 2012
+1 for canyonproject.com. Keep Mountain Project about climbing. Tristan Higbee
From Ogden, UT
Joined Mar 9, 2008
2,650 points
Mar 9, 2012
If they add canyoneering, they have to add sport rappelling too. Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Joined Jul 17, 2006
50 points
Mar 9, 2012
Tristan Higbee wrote:
+1 for canyonproject.com. Keep Mountain Project about climbing.

+2
Charles Savel
From Frederick, MD
Joined Apr 27, 2011
10 points
Mar 9, 2012
Charles Savel wrote:
+2


+3
Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
Joined May 18, 2007
1,530 points
Mar 9, 2012
Christian "crisco" Burrell wrote:
+3


+4
Alex Swan
From West
Joined Dec 30, 2011
0 points
Administrator
Mar 9, 2012
Please don't complain about a lack of info. Remember, most of the canyons in the world were explored LONG before the internet was around! Ryan Williams
From London (sort of)
Joined May 10, 2009
1,215 points
Mar 9, 2012
Nicholas Sealy wrote:
Anyone else think this would be a good idea?


Nope.
J. Albers
From Colorado
Joined Jul 11, 2008
1,228 points
Mar 9, 2012
Has most of the popular Zion NP canyons and a few of the less popular ones.
zionnational-park.com/zion-nat...

More beta.
canyoneeringusa.com/
canyoneeringusa.com/utah/index...
canyoneering.net/forums/forum....

Adding canyons to MP would be similar to adding summit hikes, it can be an adventurous and physically demanding pursuit, but it isn't climbing and isn't in the spirit of the site. There is plenty of knowledge online if you know where to look.
Ryan Hill
From Oakland, CA
Joined Dec 8, 2009
0 points
Mar 9, 2012
Nope.

Keep your slots to yourself please
Ben Scott
From Fort Collins, CO
Joined Sep 18, 2007
2,920 points
Administrator
Mar 9, 2012
I'd hate to see the outbursts that would stem from somebody's favorite "secret" slot canyon in BFE Utah or Arizona getting published on a high-traffic site.

If you thought climbers were territorial about their own private crags, wait until you see what canyoneers and cavers are capable of...
Peter Franzen
From Phoenix, AZ
Joined Jan 1, 2001
3,685 points
Mar 9, 2012
Ooooof, cavers can be downright homicidal, but I don't think canyoneers are as bad as cavers would be; being territorial, and protective, and all. Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
1,315 points
Mar 9, 2012
Impossible to find?? This ought to get you started, if you're looking for info on the U.S.

Canyons Yahoo group

candition.com

Tom's Canyoneering

Bogley's

summitpost.org

climb-utah
Larry
From SoAZ
Joined Jan 23, 2006
35 points
Mar 9, 2012
Tom's Canyoneering site is great; we've utilized it quite a bit, and there's also some detailed guidebooks from Kelsey (the guy that wears booty shorts), and others too that are quite good. Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
1,315 points
Mar 9, 2012
Tristan Higbee wrote:
+1 for canyonproject.com. Keep Mountain Project about climbing.

Agreed. +1 for both.
s.price
From PS,CO
Joined Dec 1, 2010
1,018 points
Mar 10, 2012
Yeah, Cavers make ice climbers look like reasonable, well adjusted members of society. Brent Apgar
From Out of the Loop
Joined Oct 20, 2007
35 points
Mar 10, 2012
Since we're talking about geocaching, extreme rappelling, and disc golf, and all, I'll throw in bottle digging..

And bottle diggers make cavers look like reasonable boy scouts who are just mad that they couldn't get a girl scout. : )

Bottle digging is hardcore. They'd try to keep their sites a secret, and if one got to the others "claimed site" first, blood could, and most likely would be spilled. Of course, we're talking about more than just a sport, or hobby; bottle digging could produce thousands of dollars worth of finds. Imagine digging all day, and night in vacant lots, and behind unoccupied, and occupied boarded up homes in some of the worst neighborhoods of big inner cities (that's where some of the best unoccupied pre-1900 homes, and abandoned lots happen to be); Fending off drug dealers, pimps, and nosy toothless meth heads with your probes. Then here comes the PoPo; just try to explain to trigger happy cops that you're a professional bottle digger, and if they let you talk, proceed, and just try to educate them of the beauty of finding rare, embossed whiskies, sulphide marbles, and old German doll heads with glass eyes, and such, and see how long it takes for them to spray you (with Mace, that is), and arrest your ass. Seriously, it happened to my bottle digging partner - Well... he was trespassing at a time of night where even the freaks don't come out, sporting a big pointy metal probe, and shovels, and sitting in a gynormous dirty hole he had dug. You know you're looking rough, and dangerous when drug dealing folks in seedy neighborhoods call the cops on you! The folks probably thought he was burying a body, and the cops suspected he was digging up his drugs, was disposing a prostitute, and/or JPC (just plain crazy), since they couldn't comprehend what bottle digging was, despite the fuc$king antique bottles at their feet that he had just unearthed, and the generous free beta my partner tried giving them. : /

Okay, I'm done reminiscing, back to climbing.,,
Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
1,315 points
Mar 10, 2012
GiGi u are a genius! € $t0& 960 €®
From Colorado
Joined Mar 10, 2012
0 points
Mar 10, 2012
Wow, thanks! I was just killing time as I was jonesing for a cup of coffee which is taking way too long to brew. : ) Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Joined May 25, 2005
1,315 points
Mar 10, 2012
Kona? € $t0& 960 €®
From Colorado
Joined Mar 10, 2012
0 points
Mar 10, 2012
MPers are going to hate our hijack, texting and serial posting, : )
but OMG, it's the best coffee I've ever had; got it at our local farmers market by a guy who roasts it himself- it's Costa Rica High Mountain coffee from Frankly Good Coffee. Mmm, mmm!!!
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