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Sep 20, 2012
How do you set up a rapell that doesn't leave any of your gear behind? Bob W.
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Sep 20, 2012
wow, after watching that video im never bringing 2 ropes again! thast a full 60m rap on a single line! ParkerKempf Kempf
From atlanta, GA
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Sep 20, 2012
look up "ghost" canyoneering techniques... I would trust some much less than others. Probably the safest is to use a sling or piece of webbing with 2 links/rap rings/carabiners, use this to sling a tree and tie a pull cord to one of the rings/links/biners. run your rope through both rings/links/biners. At the bottom pull your rope and then use the pull cord to retrieve your anchor that was slung around a tree or something else. Or spend the 3-4 dollars and get some webbing and a few quick links that fit your rope. stropsa
From Draper, UT
Joined Mar 29, 2012
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Sep 20, 2012
Thats a crazy video! Great find...

This strikes me as a death wish TOO. As soon as you unweight the rope it pops... Imagine how easily you could accidentally pop that thing... You step onto a ledge and POP.


I am still a big fan of using the largest tree around or leaving a little webbing behind...

I have seen people do "macrame rappelling" but doing this at the end of a long day could be a death-wish.

Joined Mar 5, 2009
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Sep 20, 2012
Use the Needles rappel (takes two people... lay the middle of the rope in a notch or around a horn and both rap off opposite sides)

Or, use the Texas Sling:
Eric Krantz
From Black Hills
Joined Feb 21, 2004
235 points
Sep 20, 2012
Rock Climbing Photo: bad idea
bad idea

Step 1- stack two nuts
Step 2- rig single strand rappel off the brown nut(downward pull nut)
Step 3- rig pull strand on the pushed through cable of the upside down nut
Step 4- make peace with god and tell your partner to apologise to your family for you stupidity
Step 5- rappel "safely" to the ground or your next belay
Step 6- pull retrieval line and the nut on the right pulls out and your whole kit falls to the ground

i think this is at least as safe as the fifi hook rubber band thing!
From prescott
Joined Oct 13, 2009
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Sep 20, 2012
Ive used a slightly advanced trick, similar to the nut trick that involves a cam, and is highly not recommended. It's been discusses at length before, but its worked twice for me. Same disclaimers as the nut trick about apologizing to your family apply.


The basics of it are this:


Set your cam in a parallel or slightly, very slightly outward flaring crack.

Clove the halfway point of your rope to the cam stem itself so it is loading the cam when pulling on it.

Take a runner and weave it through the trigger bar of the cam so it can pull the bar as necessary to release the lobes.

Pull up a bit of slack on one side of the rope and clove it to the sling.

Rap on the single line, and only that line, loading the cam.

Get down and pull hard and quick on the line attached to the trigger.

A side note, the looks on people's faces when they realize exactly how this works when I've explained it in person are priceless.
Sam Stephens
Joined Jan 20, 2010
740 points
Sep 20, 2012
I think one's life is worth more than a cam...maybe just mine Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Joined May 4, 2011
350 points
Sep 20, 2012
I don't think these techniques are for daily use,they all have inherent dangers but in case of rescue, shut-down or last resort they may need to be applied and so therefore would be valuable.

Richard Fernandez
From Flagstaff, AZ
Joined Nov 23, 2008
510 points
Sep 20, 2012
This will work if you had natural anchors without getting yourself killed, but you need to plan on using a tagline.

Rock Climbing Photo: Yet another contrivance -- a retrievable rap rig
Yet another contrivance -- a retrievable rap rig
Buff Johnson
Joined Dec 19, 2005
545 points
Sep 22, 2012
Buff, there's a similar method that arborists use when they install/remove a cambium saver sling. It involves a sling (I suppose you could make one using cord) with a small ring at one end and a large ring at the other. When the rope is doubled through both rings, a knot can be tied on the leg of the rope on the side of the large ring. pull the other leg of rope and the knot will slide through the large ring and catch the small ring, then the whole assembly comes down. Premade slings are available from various arborist suppliers. The process is also described in the Jeff Jepsom book, "The Tree Climbers Companion, 2nd edition". the beauty of it is, you would not need a tag line, but it would likely take a small bit of practice to figure out what knot you needed to tie to retrieve the setup. Dan Felix
Joined Aug 24, 2012
30 points
Sep 22, 2012
Now that I'm not posting from my phone....

Here's a link to the slings I described above, and there is a picture there with a small illustration of how it's installed/removed from the ground. Obviously, the removal is the important thing in the rock climbing context.

If you can find 2 rings of different diameters, it should be pretty easy to make your own on the spot with some cordage....
Dan Felix
Joined Aug 24, 2012
30 points
Sep 22, 2012
steal someone elses 'biners, use them for set up, then you won't leave any of YOUR gear behind on a safe rappel. Woodchuck ATC
Joined Nov 29, 2007
505 points

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