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Overhanging Layback 

YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 180'
Original:  YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
FA: 1946: Fritz Wiessner and Bill Shockley
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Submitted By: bryan barnett on Nov 4, 2008  with updates from Kurtz and 2 more

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P1 of Overhanging Layback


1. (100') Climb the corner to the overhang. Step right and then up and left - a tricky move. Continue left and up to small ledges below a face near an outside corner. The anchor is a clump of medium-size trees with rap slings, and a 60m rope will get you down from there.

2. (60') Climb left, exit the corner after just a few feet, and head up the face, past flakes (some may be hollow and loose; one fell in 2013, and see comment below in 2016), to an overhang. Climb through the overhang, then another overhang, and up right to a big ledge and tree belay.

From Kurtz: The missing flake under the final overhang may have made the overhang on P2 significantly harder (5.8ish). I'm 6' tall and it was a big reach to the hard-to-see bomber jug. It's a very committing (but fun) move now. I didn't see any easier way out.

P3. Kurtz: P3 is really 3 short walls separated by grassy ledges. The first two are easy and protect well, the third is harder and slabby without any pro. It's only a couple of balancey moves, but they are challenging (5.8 PG)

From the top, one option is the Blueberry Ledges/Beginner's Delight rappels, to the north (the rings are 5 feet up in a medium sized tree, on a big grassy ledge). It takes three rappels with a 60m to get down. The first rappel is short, only about 65 feet long, and the second rap tree is easy to miss since it's quite a ways to the left; if you rap too far, you'll be hanging in space below a ledge. The third rap station is a whacky setup of red rope wrapped around a boulder. Despite the core-shot in one of the strands, it's currently safe enough but, for some reason, the rope tends to bind making it an absolute misery to pull.

A better option is to walk south (climbers' left) to the bolted rappel line over Three Pines. 3 60m rappels get you to the ground.


At the large right-facing corner uphill and right of the McCarthy Wall (Coexistence et al.).


Standard Gunks rack. Rappel from tree - be careful to move your knot below the notch, as stuck ropes have happened.

Photos of Overhanging Layback Slideshow Add Photo
Rock Climbing Photo: P2 - Large flake (3ft long) broke off below roof
BETA PHOTO: P2 - Large flake (3ft long) broke off below roof
Rock Climbing Photo: P2 - broken-off flake below roof.
BETA PHOTO: P2 - broken-off flake below roof.
Rock Climbing Photo: Ok view of 2nd pitch.
BETA PHOTO: Ok view of 2nd pitch.
Rock Climbing Photo: First pitch...
BETA PHOTO: First pitch...

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By Jimmy Sledd
From: Bozeman, Montana
Oct 24, 2016

Beware of a very, very lose flake about 10 feet before the final overhanging moves. The right side is an obvious (and necessary) handhold, but on the left there's a snowboard-sized chunk that's completely detached and ready to pop at any moment. It could definitely kill someone at the base.

I combined the first two pitches into one. Rope drag was horrendous, but it would be possible if you were more conscientious about slinging than I was. There's no great spot for a belay otherwise.
By - - -
May 21, 2009

One better descent option to rap from the tree at the top of P2 to the bolts that are 25ft left of you when you're at the P1 belay. I'm not sure what route that is - something just right of co-ex.
By losbill
Sep 6, 2010
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13

Beware of the white flaky rock beneath the first overhang on pitch 2. Most of it flexes and wobbles when you pull or step on it which can't be avoided as you step up to the overhang. Go lightly. A large block off to the left is completely detached and just sitting on the block beneath it.
By Johan
From: San Francisco, CA
Oct 22, 2012

I recently got a rope stuck on the rappel off of this route, at the notch right at the top lip. I noticed that a previous tick here on MP says the same happened to them. So: be mindful of your rope flossing that notch. It's definitely best to bring the knot down with you past the lip. Double 60m ropes will still get you down to the ground even if you bring the knot down past the lip in this way.
By Jon Booth
Oct 8, 2013
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b

Oct 5th, 2013: While my partner was coming up, a large flake (~3ft long) broke off, just below the roof on P2. It seemed like a highly used hold, as it was covered in chalk. I posted a couple of pictures for a better description.
By Daniel Israel
From: Montreal, Quebec
Mar 28, 2014

Yeah, a very nice route I thought. Kind of epic. And not too bad for the grade either.
By gblauer
From: Wayne, PA
May 9, 2014

Lots of loose rock on P2. Tread lightly!
By Gunkiemike
Aug 19, 2014

There is now nothing left of the tree at 80 ft comprising the "optional belay" that the grey Dick mentions. There's a clump of medium-size trees w/ rap slings 20 ft higher, and a 60m rope will get you down from there.
By Kurtz
Sep 6, 2015

I love this route. Lots of variety and excitement (shady too!).

P3 is really 3 short walls separated by grassy ledges. The first two are easy and protect well, the third is harder and slabby without any pro. It's only a couple of balancey moves, but they are challenging (5.8 PG)