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Over the Top 

YDS: 5.12a French: 7a+ Ewbanks: 25 UIAA: VIII+ ZA: 25 British: E5 6a

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch, 35'
Original:  YDS: 5.12a French: 7a+ Ewbanks: 25 UIAA: VIII+ ZA: 25 British: E5 6a [details]
FA: Derek Peavey, Cassidy Hill
Season: all day shade
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Submitted By: SteveZ on May 19, 2015

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Start up steep jugs to the lip of the cave. Continue with big moves and a sustained pump to the top of the wall. With a few cruxes along the way, it climbs longer than it appears.

It is still a bit dirty... traffic will clean this up into a very nice route.


Begin on the left side of a cave forming the left part of the Fiscal Cliff. This shares anchors with its neighbor to the left (Colliding).


4 bolts to 2 bolt anchor.

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By slim
Sep 14, 2015
rating: 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a

I was a bit perplexed by this route. A 'bit' dirty is a big understatement. This thing is absolutely filthy. I am really puzzled that someone would spend the time/effort/hardware/$$ to put up what could be a good little route and then not even remotely clean it. This would probably be a 2 star route, but in its current state, it is awful.
By derek peavey
Sep 20, 2015

Slim, I'm really sorry about your awful time on this route and on Runaway Truck Ramp. I did spend hours cleaning this route. Yes, it needed some more cleaning, but hours did go into cleaning all of the routes at that cliff. The bottom definitely needs more cleaning. I climbed this over 20 times and also had a bunch of friends climb it. None of them seem to have a negative opinion of the route.
The cliff had only been developed two months before the closure without a chance to clean the routes as much as I would have liked. The cliff has been closed for one and a half years, and I believe it is still closed. So, in that time, a lot of construction went on including a lot of rock work on top of the cliff to make the trail safe. So now when it rains, dirt likely comes flowing over the cliff. I'm not saying that's why it's dirty, but it could be a small factor.
"I am really puzzled that someone would spend the time/effort/hardware/$$ to put up what could be a good little route and then not even remotely clean it." Well, that someone is me. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing the climbing community an injustice by putting up routes and not cleaning them enough. I've put up over 100+ routes on the Front Range. Some of them are really good, and some of them are "bombs". I put up routes, because I like doing it. I love the process of making a route come to life and then climbing it. Sure I want other people to climb them, but if they never get climbed again or get put in a guidebook, it's cool with me. I've climbed thousands of routes in my life. A lot of them are awesome, but a lot of them are Bombs. I do not go and rant about it, because I know someone spend time/effort/hardware/$$ to put it up. What if they thought their route was really great? Do I want to take that away from them? No, I just leave it be and move on. How about better yet, the climbing community help clean newly developed routes so that they become desirable climbs? Everyone wants these perfectly clean routes to climb with perfect bolt placement (me included), but it isn't the gym, and to get a route to that level, it typically needs to be climbed a lot. Colorado is full of choss - go to Rifle and climb some of the new routes there. Some of them are pretty chossy. But it takes time. Did you know that Ten Digit Dialing was full of crappy rock? In addition to cleaning, it took thousands of ascents to get it to where it is now.
Slim, what is your real name? I'd like to go climb some of the routes you have put up, so I can see how not to put up a "Bomb" route.
Fiscal Cliff is dirty, period. I would avoid climbing there in the future (I know I will be climbing there).
By slim
Sep 21, 2015
rating: 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a

Derek, sorry about the overly negative comment - I was more just really surprised by it being so dirty. I guess it is possible that all of the rain and the construction left it in rough shape. If I am there again, I will try to clean it up some. The climbing is very good and hard, it feels a lot longer than it is.
By Pinklebear
Sep 23, 2015

I had a lot of fun climbing here with Derek in 2014 when he'd put up about half the climbs and I helped pitch in on a few others to get them established. They were plenty clean at the time -- Derek always does a great job cleaning his climbs and has a great eye for a line. I imagine all the dirt on this route was washover, coming off the top of the cliff, and then of course all the mank they stirred up when they came in there and paved a bike path right along the base of the cliff (heinous, IMO -- it was pretty over there, with nice sitting rocks, grass, and trees, before this "improvement).

Putting up new routes is lots of work. If you get on a newish climb and wonder, "Why didn't anyone clean this?" I'd encourage you to go put up some routes of your own first and try to understand the process, and also realize that many climbs, without constant traffic, will revert to their unclimbed state fairly quickly. In this case, the cliff sat idle for a year due to the construction. Always good to climb with a brush, in any case, to help clean any route you get on.
By slim
Sep 28, 2015
rating: 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a

Spent some time cleaning and this is a good route. Again, sorry for my original lame ass comment. Hopefully others will read these comments and learn from them. Thanks for putting these routes up - it would definitely be a LOT of work.

In '04, I worked up this area and spent some time hiking and looking at potential crags. I remember checking this area out and thinking it looked like some good, steep climbing. It was definitely very nice and does indeed seem kind of weird with the new trail there. I guess the trail is one of those plus/minus sorts of things.

Anyway, I am looking forward to checking out some more of the routes (and if you have any beta for the top of Dump Truck, I would love to hear it :)
By 2 chains
From: Denver
Aug 21, 2016

Slim, your asshole is dirty... go whip it...routes here have some of the most unique holds in the canyon.... If it rains the night before, expect some dirt...duuuuh.

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