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May 9, 2016
In the gym i climb a V4-V5s and I just successfully did my first lead/sports climb Sunday first on a 5.6 to practice then successfully lead 5 other climbs not sure of the rating since I didn't look it up but i was reallu interested in the one climb I did since it had a couple over hangs witch are pretty much my favorite types of climbs and when I got home i found it was a 5.11- the routes called Petrified Located in OhioPyle end river crag I was wondering if people found outside climbing easier or harder? I kinda find outside easier since the texture of the rock isn't greasy or slippery and my adrenaline on some of the moves had my strength feeling like a all time high and it's just a whole different atmosphere I deffintly perfer outside climbing ESP for the adrenaline also to my understanding a 5.11 is a pretty hard route? Jaredsup
From Donora
Joined May 4, 2016
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May 9, 2016
Dude 5.11 is crazy hard. But inside climbing rocks. I think you just need some more time at the gym and you will see that indoors is really where it's at. Gets you some huge lats. John Tex
From Estes
Joined Mar 19, 2013
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May 9, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Me redpointing Power Series. This route is amazing...
Outdoor climbing is easy. Indoor climbing is the real challenge. Also, rappelling. Rappelling is really hard. C. Archibald
Joined Apr 15, 2012
781 points
May 9, 2016
I deffintly think indoor climbing helps especially for strength and endorance and figuring out many many different types of holds and let's face it not everyone is lucky enough to live by alot of crags and I will continue to stay with my climbing gym I just find it hard to get motivated especially when I been on this same V5 for 2.5 weeks and the adrenaline isnt like it is outside lol I would like to post the picture to see what others would rate the climb by just from looks but don't know how Jaredsup
From Donora
Joined May 4, 2016
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May 9, 2016
Yer gonna die. simplyput
Joined Nov 30, 2013
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May 9, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Horizontal in Skin the Cat (5.12-).
This is a really low blow elenor Eli Buzzell
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May 10, 2016
^^^. Yeah, grammar and spelling. SRB25
From Woodside, ca
Joined Nov 11, 2014
5 points
May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Old Lady H
Maybe you are yanking our chains, or maybe you really are as young and ignorant as your posts seem.

If you are the first, you are the one who has to live with that. But if you are the second...

So, yes, 11 is quite hard, BUT that may only apply to the crux of that route. It is also quite possible to go off route and climb around what would have been the hard bits. And, the grade assumes you are climbing on lead, not top rope or following as second.

Inside, vs. outside? They are simply two quite different things. Some prefer one, some the other, but I'm guessing most of us on here are outdoor climbers who use gym climbing to augment what we do.

For myself, all of it is ridiculously difficult, even the routes in the gym that I set myself! I much prefer outside, as then the rock is entirely yours to figure out, move by move, however you can make it work.

In my reply in your rope post, I was NOT encouraging you to practice on your own then charge outdoors. I was warning you to get really, really, really sharp before you even go out with a group. The big question here, is if BOTH of you are skilled enough to take care of the other. My son came to this from his SAR training, so I had complete trust in him. BUT, I was not belaying him until he had complete trust in my ability to do so.

You might be able to pull off a lead, but if she has only been belaying inside, your gf is not ready to belay a lead climb outside, and you are in a pretty dangerous place in the learning curve right now.

All that said, I do wish you the best. The rest of you? Please consider if this is a kid you're talking to, and the consequences. Best to all of you, anyway. :-) H.
Old lady H
From Boise, Idaho
Joined Aug 24, 2015
73 points
May 10, 2016
One main difference inside, outside is that routes/bolts in the gym are maintained. Most probably you will even be looked after in some way.

Gym and sport climbing in a crag also means, routes are documented. And if you get tired, completely exhausted, you are on the ground in 20 seconds to buy yourself coffee or a pizza.

Climbing trad and especially trad in alpine routes means you rely only on yourself, your planning and technical ablilities. You are on your own. Reserve of any kind gets much more important.

There's rule of thumb if you lead UIAA grade x in gym, you maybe lead x-2 outdoors.
delacc
Joined Apr 18, 2016
20 points
May 10, 2016
Old lady you sound like the type that's scared to cross the street idk how you got into climbing with all the risks everyone knows climbing is dangerous but your obviously old school on this situation and believe the younger generation is incapable of being able to teach them selfs im a pretty intelligent youngman (25) the concept of climbing,clipping,2points of contact up top double checking your gear is not a hard thing to follow as for climbing I look at a route and judge if I think I can or not if I think I can im going for it maybe I have a bigger set then you maybe I trust the gri gri to much maybe I'm just self confident and want to push my limits maybe just maybe I'm crazy but you might not agree with the progress I made but respect what I'm trying to do and see and achieve also how else do you get better climbing 5.7s all day? also he's the link to the picture you tell me where I could of went off track s32.postimg.org/iilrqa7px/IMG_... Jaredsup
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Joined May 4, 2016
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May 10, 2016
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Holy sprayfest, Batman! Old Lady H, don't feed the troll.

Edit: Old Lady H, If you are ever in the Reno/Tahoe area, I would climb 5.7 with you anyday. (in fact, I love 5.7 :) )
Jack V
From Reno, NV
Joined Apr 22, 2014
16 points
May 10, 2016
Old Lady H seems to be quite possibly the nicest and most genuine person in the world. khalifornia
From Colorado
Joined Nov 18, 2015
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May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA...
Jared Suppo wrote:
Old lady you sound like the type that's scared to cross the street idk how you got into climbing with all the risks everyone knows climbing is dangerous but your obviously old school on this situation and believe the younger generation is incapable of being able to teach them selfs im a pretty intelligent youngman (25) the concept of climbing,clipping,2points of contact up top double checking your gear is not a hard thing to follow as for climbing I look at a route and judge if I think I can or not if I think I can im going for it maybe I have a bigger set then you maybe I trust the gri gri to much maybe I'm just self confident and want to push my limits maybe just maybe I'm crazy but you might not agree with the progress I made but respect what I'm trying to do and see and achieve also how else do you get better climbing 5.7s all day? also he's the link to the picture you tell me where I could of went off track s32.postimg.org/iilrqa7px/IMG_...


OMFG this is priceless! Punk - shu - ashun is your friend.

Jared, people like you are what is wrong with climbing these days. Eat a D*ck dude.
Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Joined Jun 24, 2006
1,466 points
May 10, 2016
The previous threads by this guy were good but this one been really entertaining. Who needs reality TV when you have MP? closed
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May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Killis Howard?
Sounds like someone special forgot to take their meds!

Tim Lutz
Joined Aug 9, 2012
43 points
May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Rappelling after setting up TR on AKD
Jared, OLH is one of nicest and damn nearly the most genuine person you'll ever come across on this forum. You've somehow managed to go off on a person who genuinely cares whether or not you and/or your partner get hurt/die climbing. But I guess that's the nature of this forum. Kudos on "having a pair" larger than her though. Henry Holub
From Altus, Ok
Joined Nov 6, 2015
512 points
May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Killis Howard?
You are assuming 'Jared' is human. It is not. Tim Lutz
Joined Aug 9, 2012
43 points
May 10, 2016
Henry Holub wrote:
Jared, OLH is one of nicest and damn nearly the most genuine person you'll ever come across on this forum. You've somehow managed to go off on a person who genuinely cares whether or not you and/or your partner get hurt/die climbing. But I guess that's the nature of forum. Kudos on "having a pair" larger than her though.

It's funny, in a previous post OLH gave OP some sound advice and he was more than thankful. Now she gives more sound advice and he berates her. What a goon.
EDIT TO ADD:
I guess this could just be a drawn out trolling but the final verdict still stands: Goon.
simplyput
Joined Nov 30, 2013
55 points
May 10, 2016
I train outside so i can crush inside. My gym has this crazy "pink route"...so Ive been traveling all over the country to various crags to prepare me for this proj...think I'm ready. Once I send this long time proj...Im going to start entering marathons to prepare me for my local gym's treadmill. Psych is at an all time high! ;) Alfonso
Joined Feb 21, 2014
1,354 points
May 10, 2016
Jared Suppo wrote:
im a pretty intelligent youngman


Undoubtedly

Jared Suppo wrote:
the concept of climbing,clipping,2points of contact up top double checking your gear is not a hard thing to follow


Yep, that's it. Off to the Eiger, shurfat fortress, cassain ridge.
JohnSol
Joined Sep 30, 2015
15 points
May 10, 2016
NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Joined Oct 6, 2011
127 points
May 10, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Old Lady H
Jared Suppo wrote:
Old lady you sound like the type that's scared to cross the street idk how you got into climbing with all the risks everyone knows climbing is dangerous but your obviously old school on this situation and believe the younger generation is incapable of being able to teach them selfs im a pretty intelligent youngman (25) the concept of climbing,clipping,2points of contact up top double checking your gear is not a hard thing to follow as for climbing I look at a route and judge if I think I can or not if I think I can im going for it maybe I have a bigger set then you maybe I trust the gri gri to much maybe I'm just self confident and want to push my limits maybe just maybe I'm crazy but you might not agree with the progress I made but respect what I'm trying to do and see and achieve also how else do you get better climbing 5.7s all day? also he's the link to the picture you tell me where I could of went off track s32.postimg.org/iilrqa7px/IMG_...

Okay sweetcakes, you asked for it.

1. Once you simmer down, you'll fit in here just fine. Come out to Idaho, and we'll show you some REAL rocks, and a mountain or two (got a couple out here).

2. Speaking of a couple, ahem, whilst I admit that gravity has taken a HUGE and ugly toll, regarding MY set, well...

3. I started when I was 57, and I am an almost complete, ignorant, noob myself, so I know whereof I speak when I bring up DANGEROUS and learning curve at the same time.

So, friend, yeah friend, I'm stoopid that way too. I did look at that climb. Yes, you might be an 11 right out of the box, it does happen, but can your FRIEND climb at the level to rescue your ass? It is a legit question. You can totally learn this stuff yourself, and more than a few on here have, but you put more than yourself at risk as a climber. And, it's a small, small community, that does care when something bad happens.

But, again, PLEASE never ever convince yourself you are incapable of being stupid. That's the difference between alive and dead, NO exaggeration.

The info I fed you on ratings is correct. Some, are for the route in general, but a lot are just one move, so yeah, maybe you are so fabulous you can flame everyone else with impunity...oh, wait. That's ability, not knowledge or experience. Or, you may have just pulled off a fabulous climb. Looking at it, it seemed to slope back, have a lot of possibilities for holds, and MAYBE was primarily difficult because of the roofs. It had enough that I would have at least played with it, myself, and I'm nuthin to write home about. I also cheat a lot. :-D

Regardless, welcome! Do try to listen, now and then, but stay you. Ornery is a good trait, to a point. As I said before, you are the one who has to judge all of this, all of the time. Stay safe! And keep your gf safe, too.

FWIW, I was flamed pretty hard a couple times, too. But, they are a great, CRAZY group. Thanks, all! He/she who was never a noob doesn't exist. Well, maybe a few.

Best to all, H.
Old lady H
From Boise, Idaho
Joined Aug 24, 2015
73 points
May 11, 2016
It's like this: 5.11 is different everywhere. Let's say u are in Clear Creek Canyon, then it's relatively easy. If you are in JTree or Yose then its freaking hard. Let's say you are a crack climber in "the Creek", then it's easy cos you are essentially on tr the whole time, it also depends on the size of your hands. Go by this: if its an old school route , 10 was the hardest they could ever imagine climbing back then so do your math, 11 is gonna be stiff. New age sport 11's are gonna be chill. Talking about gyms, the shorter the walls the stiffer the grades. Also the more ghetto location of the gym the stiffer the grades. Suburban mom/pop gyms cater to egos, hence softer grades. Think Tucson's Rocks and Ropes vs Boulder's Movement. there is no comparison in grades whatsoever. You catching my drift? Okay, take two sister gyms{Planet Granite} Sunnyvale vs Redwood City(or some other ghetto location I cant remember). HUGE difference in grades. Same company, different grades.

your welcome.
Savannah23
Joined May 8, 2016
0 points
May 11, 2016
Lady H, didn't you just start climbing like a few months ago? Now you're spraying about grades and all. I see you enjoy this forum quite a bit, no harm done. Write about what you know, someone said. I think it was Steven King. Just sayin. Savannah23
Joined May 8, 2016
0 points
May 11, 2016
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C. Archibald wrote:
Outdoor climbing is easy. Indoor climbing is the real challenge. Also, rappelling. Rappelling is really hard.


OP, IT CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH, DON'T GO RAPPELLING. NO GYM CAN PREPARE YOU FOR IT. YOU WILL DIE
Matt Stroebel
From Lakewood, OH
Joined Apr 19, 2011
107 points
May 11, 2016
Rock Climbing Photo: Killis Howard?
Old lady H wrote:
Okay sweetcakes, you asked for it. H.


easy killer!

Jared is a troll. don't feed the trolls.
Tim Lutz
Joined Aug 9, 2012
43 points


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