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Oct 31, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: the starting layback on the first ascent.
should I buy the $199 version or the $2100 version?
amazon.com/Southern-Sierra-Roc...
geoff georges
From Seattle, Wa.
Joined Feb 8, 2010
3,943 points
Oct 31, 2015
You should wait for the new one to come out...

But yeah those prices are ridiculous, I got lucky and found mine on craigslist ^_^
lozo bozo
Joined Feb 26, 2015
39 points
Nov 1, 2015
Geoff, I bought one of those from Amazon for about $90, four years ago or so. The prices fluctuate.

The author of the new one coming out told me it would be out earlier this year, but no cigar, didn't happen. I sent him an e-mail asking when it would be available, but he didn't respond.

That old guidebook is about all there is, unless you rely on MP info.

If you get the old book, get the $200 version, or wait for the indefinite release of the new one.
FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
284 points
Nov 1, 2015
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You can find quite a bit of info here and there is a printable mini guide you can download and save the $$$, thanks to Clint for providing such a wealth of info.
stanford.edu/~clint/needles/in...
dhayan
Joined Jan 11, 2010
32 points
Nov 1, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: the starting layback on the first ascent.
yeah, Clint Cummins info is good, the rescue box on site there has a stack of topos. I was just poking fun at Amazon. I have heard a few times that a book is coming out, and then nothing. In some ways I am glad there is no Supertopo for the Needles, the mystery is part of the allure. geoff georges
From Seattle, Wa.
Joined Feb 8, 2010
3,943 points
Nov 2, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Bottom of the bottle
New book out soon..... these things take time.

I was climbing with Kris last weekend, he is done with the new book, its off to the printers.

The new book is so much more detailed and entertaining than any GB I have ever seen, Kris put about 5 years into it,lived at the campground for three summers, he has climbed almost all of the climbs there or he got others to do the climbs he couldn't do and then took detailed notes.

Much bolt replacement has gone along with doing this new book, hell he got me out there in the middle of summer ripping out old 5/16 buttonheads (some of those suckers were really stuck)so now almost everything has been replaced (thank you ASCA)

He took different length ropes out and did descents off of every formation, so you can go with confidence on a climb with a 50 m cord or a 70 m and know how your going to get down.

The original GB was basically done over the phone, by people who lived in Colorado and drew some vague lines on some poor drawings....

Some things are worth waiting for.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Nov 2, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: the starting layback on the first ascent.
Wow, that is great news, I really was not expecting anything and am very happy to hear this. MP is ok as a supplement, but a good guide book makes my day. geoff georges
From Seattle, Wa.
Joined Feb 8, 2010
3,943 points
Nov 2, 2015
Thanks for the update guy!! lozo bozo
Joined Feb 26, 2015
39 points
Nov 2, 2015
Guy Keesee wrote:
New book out soon..... these things take time. I was climbing with Kris last weekend, he is done with the new book, its off to the printers. The new book is so much more detailed and entertaining than any GB I have ever seen, Kris put about 5 years into it,lived at the campground for three summers, he has climbed almost all of the climbs there or he got others to do the climbs he couldn't do and then took detailed notes. Much bolt replacement has gone along with doing this new book, hell he got me out there in the middle of summer ripping out old 5/16 buttonheads (some of those suckers were really stuck)so now almost everything has been replaced (thank you ASCA) He took different length ropes out and did descents off of every formation, so you can go with confidence on a climb with a 50 m cord or a 70 m and know how your going to get down. The original GB was basically done over the phone, by people who lived in Colorado and drew some vague lines on some poor drawings.... Some things are worth waiting for.


I can hardly wait for this, as well as one or two other guidebooks that I've heard are on the horizon. The amount of work that the authors put in to these projects is staggering, and I'm really looking forward to the opportunity to plunk down some change in thanks for their effort.

Also this:

Chris Bersbach
From Arroyo Grande, CA
Joined Sep 27, 2007
208 points
Nov 2, 2015
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That is awesome! thanks for the update Guy and thanks to Kris for all of the hard work! look forward to picking it up! dhayan
Joined Jan 11, 2010
32 points
Nov 19, 2015
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fruitloop wrote:
You should wait for the new one to come out...

I don't think Herb and the boys are ever going to publish. I was hearing about this "new" guide book when the old guide was still on the shelfs at regular price. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
Nov 19, 2015
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Guy Keesee wrote:
The original GB was basically done over the phone, by people who lived in Colorado and drew some vague lines on some poor drawings.... Some things are worth waiting for.

Does Greg post on MP?
Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
Nov 19, 2015
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Guy Keesee wrote:
New book out soon..... these things take time. I was climbing with Kris last weekend, he is done with the new book, its off to the printers. The new book is so much more detailed and entertaining than any GB I have ever seen, Kris put about 5 years into it,lived at the campground for three summers, he has climbed almost all of the climbs there or he got others to do the climbs he couldn't do and then took detailed notes. Much bolt replacement has gone along with doing this new book, hell he got me out there in the middle of summer ripping out old 5/16 buttonheads (some of those suckers were really stuck)so now almost everything has been replaced (thank you ASCA) He took different length ropes out and did descents off of every formation, so you can go with confidence on a climb with a 50 m cord or a 70 m and know how your going to get down. The original GB was basically done over the phone, by people who lived in Colorado and drew some vague lines on some poor drawings.... Some things are worth waiting for.



Excellent news!!! I have been waiting for this thing for last 3 years now and to hear it is at the printer is great! I think it is going through K Daniels correct?

Does anyone know if there is a plan for a SEKI guidebook update in the future?
Mike Mu.
From hagerstown
Joined Feb 15, 2007
85 points
Nov 19, 2015
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Mike Mu. wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a plan for a SEKI guidebook update in the future?


Kind of. I started working on it and then realized that I'm lazy and with actual climbing, other hobbies, work and family it's gonna take a while. So instead I started a website about a year ago that I update pretty often with corrections or new stuff. Maybe someday I'll print it? Who knows, there's so much rock and so little time!

sekiclimbing.com

Currently working on Big Baldy. I've done maybe half of the climbs but every time I visit I find new ones that I wasn't aware of so it's slow going. Many climbs in SEKI were put up by seasonal employees so it's hard to track down correct FA info and route names but I like history so I'm trying.


Anyway, Kris Solem's Needles guide is going to be amazing with his dedication and attention to detail. Like Guy said, it's not some distant future thing, it's off to the press and should be available right before the (also awesome) Courtright Guide which is also already with the publisher!
limpingcrab
From Visalia, CA
Joined Nov 5, 2010
1,042 points
Nov 20, 2015
I'm really psyched for Kris' new guide. Really curious to learn of any new route activity, particularly since I've ticked most of the routes that I can actually climb. Let's put it this way, the season is over for the year. That last Sierra storm actually dumped a fair amount of snow up there, so you won't be hitting it until the spring anyways. Maybe by that time the guide will be available. Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Joined Nov 9, 2007
179 points
Nov 20, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Bottom of the bottle
it is going through K Daniels correct? "

Yes, you are correct. KD and his team have made quality guide books for years now.


Limping.... keep it up. I know you have the info I gave you about the way back in Sequoia.... I have some contact info of the seasonal employees of witch you speak about, let me know. When I started looking around Sequoia in the mid seventies the Rangers were really nice and very curious about just what was climbing... and whats all that gear used for. When we started to make attempts on the Watchtower they started getting reports of "climbers stranded on the wall...." type reports. That was a new thing for them.

FatDad.... there are lots of great new climbs, Herb L has been busy.



And Jerry in InyoKern..... I know that Herb gave Kris EVERYTHING he had and was quite helpful and up front with Kris. Lots of people stepped up and gave info about the history and first ascents. That is one of the reasons it has taken so long. I think Kris made two trips to go work with Tony Yanaro in Idaho....
He has put in the time.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Nov 24, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Hammer Block
Guy, thats good news about the guide. In the mean time I got lucky last year and found the old guide, three "aliens" (the original)hardly used, a number four camalot and ten runners for $200 of an ol'timer in Ridgecrest. Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
Nov 24, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Bottom of the bottle
Jeremy in Inyokern wrote:
Guy, thats good news about the guide. In the mean time I got lucky last year and found the old guide, three "aliens" (the original)hardly used, a number four camalot and ten runners for $200 of an ol'timer in Ridgecrest.



Good deal....... how old are the runners???? Are they marked "Carl Heller"???
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Nov 24, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Huge invisible muscles
Guy Keesee wrote:
Limping.... keep it up. I know you have the info I gave you about the way back in Sequoia.... I have some contact info of the seasonal employees of witch you speak about, let me know.


I would love more contact info and thanks for all the help you've been already! Hopefully I'll eventually make a section on the site for stories like the ones you shared but for now Rene and EC have some good ones on their sites.

If you ever have some time feel free to email or PM me some of that contact info, when I stop by places or contact SNHA I usually hit dead ends. I think you still have my email but it's danieljeffcoach at gmail dot com just in case.

Three cheers for all the hard work that Kris has done on the guide, super excited to buy a copy or two!
limpingcrab
From Visalia, CA
Joined Nov 5, 2010
1,042 points
Nov 25, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Hammer Block
Guy Keesee wrote:
Good deal....... how old are the runners???? Are they marked "Carl Heller"???

LOL. The runners are in good shape BD Dyneema, however the #4 has a Julian stamp on it 3018. Pretty sure thats 18JAN1993. It's in good shape but I shoud either re-sling it or retire it. Hasn't stopped me from placing it more than once though.
Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
Nov 27, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Bottom of the bottle
1993..... heck its almost brand new...

Speaking of Carl H. Can you still drive up to the Heller Rocks? And can you still drive to Indian Wells Valley ( the place where you can go up to the Notch #1 and #2 on the wheeler crest from the back) ?

I know Locals know about this stuff, its sometimes hard to get a straight answer out of Scott L.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Dec 1, 2015
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Guy Keesee wrote:
1993..... heck its almost brand new... Speaking of Carl H. Can you still drive up to the Heller Rocks? And can you still drive to Indian Wells Valley ( the place where you can go up to the Notch #1 and #2 on the wheeler crest from the back) ? I know Locals know about this stuff, its sometimes hard to get a straight answer out of Scott L.

The wilderness border now has you parking on the Aquaduct road to access Heller so it's 2000 vertical feet and two'ish miles. The same issue has you parking at the campground at to get to the Owens stuff. They have installed fences that prevent motorcycle entry so that only horses and hikers can pass.So again you have to trek up a couple thousand feet get to Easter Wall. All the Owens stuff is a couple miles through the wilderness to get to now. That said I'd go up there with you. To either/both places. Though I'd prefer not to do both hikes on the same day. Easter wall would be nice now as long as the wind was sub 5MPH. Scott may have a secret or two...or three for closer car access but if he does I don;t know about it.
Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
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Dec 1, 2015
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Holy moly - I'm sitting on a gold mine... Chris Owen
From Big Bear Lake
Joined Jan 1, 2002
10,767 points
Dec 1, 2015
Rock Climbing Photo: Bottom of the bottle
Jeremy..... thank you for the info. I guess its time to get some horses. Well it is really fine of our Government to PROTECT all that wilderness.

As I am now "hiking challenged" due to a chronic spine disorder, maybe I can get a handicapped tag and drive us in.

Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Dec 1, 2015
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Guy Keesee wrote:
Jeremy..... thank you for the info. I guess its time to get some horses. Well it is really fine of our Government to PROTECT all that wilderness. As I am now "hiking challenged" due to a chronic spine disorder, maybe I can get a handicapped tag and drive us in.

I think you'd need a chain saw as well...and I've considered it.
Jeremy in Inyokern
From Inyokern
Joined Jul 10, 2012
80 points
Dec 1, 2015
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Jeremy in Inyokern wrote:
I think you'd need a chain saw as well...and I've considered it.



Got that covered and a really good chain cutter....
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points


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