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Rock Climbing Photo: Technosurfing, Rumney. Photo by Seth Hamel.
This longstanding project was recently sent. In order to clean up the route submission, I am moving the comments under the route to this forum. Here's the original route description:

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Mesresha YDS: 5.12+ Average: OK 0.7 (9 votes)
Type: Sport, 1 pitch, 50'
Original: YDS: 5.12+ [details]
FA: Bradley White, Mike Robertson 2012 and FFA James 2012
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Submitted By: bradley white on Jun 24, 2012

Description
Mesresha[(def:external intervention causes one to forget) Amharic]

Between Sesame Street and Metamorphosis is a steeply overhanging face above a ledge. Gain the Sesame Street ledge with the birch tree, then climb up the corner behind the tree, just left of the first bolts of Sesame, and reach out left to access an extremely sharp crux through a bulge (kind of like campussing razor blades). Continue directly up easier climbing after the bulge ends (5.7-8) up face to the anchors at a foot ledge. Or better yet, avoid the whole thing altogether unless you like a masochistic challenge.

The grade of the climb could change due to some flexible hand holds. Likely the grade will go up not down.

(with edits from an administrator)

Location
Between 'Metamorphosis' and 'Sesame Street' is the overhanging wall. Climb easy fifth class to the large ledge with trees below where 'Sesame Street' begins to be steep. Belay from one of trees. Start up left side inside corner (mossy) or start east of the moss on the fractured rock ramp. Climbers can continue up 'Metamorphosis' or 'Sesame Street', after belaying at foot ledge. A temporary rappel anchor was in place (someone stole it). A permanent rappel anchor is set up now.

Protection
6 bolts to a two bolt anchor on a foot ledge
Jay Knower
From Campton, NH
Joined Jul 1, 2001
6,125 points
Jun 25, 2012
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yep, origonally it looked to be 10 to solid 11ish. Ryan took off 90% of the loose holds. Then we speculated it to be 12+ish. When Brad and I returned to bolt the second half he broke off a bit more but nothing that changes its grade. Then I worked out all but 4-5 feet of it's moves. Today I resolved the crux sequence and broke off 4 more small edges no larger than 2 inches each . After taking some lead falls we relized the line (that I can climb with some work)is more to the right. It will need another bolt horizontal to what is now the 4th bolt and 2.5 ft to the right. All the moves and it's sequence have been done. There are no more (crossing my fingers) holds likely to break. In my subjective opinion the route is 20 ft of V6 then 30 ft of enjoyable 5.8. We will be returning to get rid of a few more plate size flakes that border the direct line. Bradley wisely chose to place the bolts close in the bottom section where the rock is softer and we'll be replacing them with eye bolts in the near future.
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Jul 2, 2012
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more holds broken today...
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Jul 3, 2012
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Are you going to leave both of the lines bolted or remove the bolts in the left hand variation, so there is not a cluster of bolts?
matthewWallace
From plymouth, nh
Joined Nov 20, 2008
9,281 points
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Jul 3, 2012
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i mean this as a sincere question not a wise crack but how is this a "great" (3 star) route if the holds wont stay on the wall? is it holding up to that standard even after all the breakage?

i fell in love with a fragile route at yellow knife at about the same grade... while checking it out on TR i had many holds break off... though the line could have been climbed i decided not to bolt it since the rock was so fragile... always a heart breaker...
lee hansche
From goffstown, nh
Joined Jan 10, 2007
21,099 points
Jul 3, 2012
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yeah a bit of a heart breaker...we'll decide what to do..if it contines to break and just wont go we'll remove the bolts and clean it up
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Administrator
Jul 4, 2012
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I checked out that wall just to the left of Metamorphosis pretty extensively also, years ago, and came to the conclusion it would only offer a pretty squeezed in line with a short hard section and then finish up an easy squeezed line between Sesame and Metamorphosis, or join in to one of them. The two lines on either side are pretty sweet and don't need some piece of crap squeezed up between them. Plus, the fact that it would need a bunch of glue to keep the holds on made me decide against doing it. If somebody really needs to climb it, they should just set up a TR on it, IMO. I'm all for people's self expression and varied styles of new routing, but, frankly, I cringe when I read about you guys new routing at Rumney. Between what went on at Green's and the scattershot on lead bolting up squeezed, uncleaned choss piles, the expression "Somebody should take their drill away from them" comes to mind. Good grief! Can't you guys recognize that you don't know what you are doing and hold off making a mess of the place? Rumney is pretty close to being climbed out. New routers are going to have to be very circumspect in their new routing, or the results will be a real downgrading of the Rumney experience. There, I have said it.
M Sprague
From New England
Joined Nov 9, 2006
6,303 points
Jul 5, 2012
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After seeing this route in person today, I feel compelled to politely add my voice to the crowd suggesting this route be removed. If not in its entirety then at least one of the lines of bolts. As stated before, its proximity detracts from Sesame Street, its on rotten rock, and what has not been previously mention is that it's directly behind a tree. Having worked climbs in this grade range, I know I personally would not get on it simply because of the factor of falling into the tree, regardless of the routes other flaws...
E thatcher
From Plymouth/ North Conway (NH)
Joined Jul 28, 2008
1,081 points
Jul 5, 2012
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These routes/discussions at Rumney always make for an interesting afternoon read ;)
Michael Z.
Joined May 5, 2011
1,717 points
Jul 10, 2012
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We will be removing the bolts to the left.
It can't be top ropped due to the overhang.
After falling at every bolt I still have not hit the tree.
The route goes along the three, red taped, bolts and then up the face.
I am waiting for bad weather/less climbers to remove the rest of the loose rock (not needed for the moves).
The route is not squeezed in, does not intersect with either routes, and the anchor is below where the other routes bottle neck (so even if there was a different climber on each of the three routes, at the same place, they would each be able to climb without interference.)
This is actually a good route and is somewhere in the 12+ range.
It is not 100% finished yet so please give us the chance to complete it. (We’ll remove the tape when it is ready)
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Jul 12, 2012
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non applicable comments.
bradley white
From Bend
Joined Jun 6, 2008
5,973 points
Jul 20, 2012
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Really? The bolts, to the left of the now established line, I would vote to remove.
The Ball is in Bradleys qourt on that...

To Mark...You must understand that your prolific route development and raised status in The NH climbing community also means that your words are often taken as gospel. With this in mind a little more tact would go a long way. You are welcome to contact me at anytime to disuce your feelings on my routes and I'm sure your aware that I am easy to talk to and willing to work things out. I fear that many are influenced by comments on MP which often lead to great lines being avoided for no good reason (this line is good but not great)...just someones subjective opinion they've read. Please keep me out of any tension between you and Bradley.

The line itself is compleetly clean now and goes at 12+.
Beware of Lichen Fall though.
You don't hit the tree but I can understand that one could think that.

I will commend myself in not being disuaded by negative speculations about the route. No glue used...I've heard wisperings that many Rumeny routes are full of glue. It's also been said that this route would just fall apart due to the rock quality.
Yes, many holds broke right off, at least a heaping wheel burrow full.
I'd say the route started at 5.9 and through "ethical" cleaning and sticking to real rock became 5.12+.

I sense that anytime a new route goes up in Rumney the immediate reaction is: "No, how could this be!? Every route has been done and anything new has to be squeezed in. If not the route probably sucks and wasn't worth it" I can understand...everytime I go to Rumney I think "Man, if only there were more people and less routes, then I could truley enjoy The Rumney Expireance"
Sometimes I even catch myself in a furious state when I have to see another climber climbing on the same crag I'm climbing on. Would you believe that there are times I have literally had to make eye contact with another climber!? And I didn't even know them!

Again, cut me some slack here or at least go do the route so you have something tangable to comment on.
If only there were more Lee H.'s out there. I mean that. Thank You Lee for your support, for being you, and reserving speculations.
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Jul 20, 2012
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This climb is so offensive to my climbing sensibilities that I or others like me will take action to pretty up the scene if things are not improved by the end of the summer.

If I was going to punish you for your poor taste, I would say you should take a picture of this route and hang it around your neck with string until it rots off in a couple of months.
Tristan Perry
Joined Apr 2, 2006
546 points
Administrator
Jul 20, 2012
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yes mike i will always be nice to you and anyone else that is nice to me... im glad you appreciate it... confrontation is not my way...

Might it be time for us to adopt an application process through the RCA for the bolting of new routes at rumney?... I would be happy to apply before i bust out my drill to avoid this kind of ugly discusion in the future?
lee hansche
From goffstown, nh
Joined Jan 10, 2007
21,099 points
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Jul 20, 2012
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I hope we don't have to come to that any time soon. We can avoid that if we are not completely tone deaf to our fellow climbers and are open to listening if a bunch of our piers express dismay at our actions.
M Sprague
From New England
Joined Nov 9, 2006
6,303 points
Jul 20, 2012
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Is it still C0?
If so, what is it? Pulling on a draw?
S. Neoh
Joined Oct 4, 2009
563 points
Jul 21, 2012
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It is not CO anymore..I didn't put this page up so I can not change the CO.
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Jul 21, 2012
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Rumney the 'Snake Experience'. I nicknamed all the derogatory comments together the inquisition. They claim I did wrongful purposeful bolting. I the opposition must then be the sorcerer to the inquisition. I am not the defendant. The two bolts full of emotionally charged anger are gone. The bolts remaining are staying and perhaps will be strongly disliked. Spring loaded bolts will likely fit the two bolt holes backed up with the other bolts. These hard leads indeed will be climbed regularly someday.

bradley white
From Bend
Joined Jun 6, 2008
5,973 points
Sep 12, 2012
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After seeing this route the other day in person, I don't see the big problem with it, as long as the potential loose rock has been thoroughly cleaned, which it sounds like Mike took care of. Although I don't think it'll get much traffic (a 12+ in a sea of classic 10's, with classic 12+'s just up the hill), it is pretty discrete, hiding behind the trees there (except for the red tape! Mike, did you send it yet?). If it's a squeeze, then so are Techno and Aquarius, but no one is going to complain about those! There are, without a doubt, worse routes that have been bolted at Rumney.
twellman
From Cambridge
Joined Jul 12, 2009
274 points
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Sep 12, 2012
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Has this been lead cleanly yet, Mike, and is it now open for re-ascents?
M Sprague
From New England
Joined Nov 9, 2006
6,303 points
Sep 14, 2012
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I have not been back on this route for a few months now. With sending season here I'll be getting on it as soon as I can find someone to belay me on it...any takers? I have climbed it with 2 hangs but not got the official send yet
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
Sep 14, 2012
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Mike, if our paths were to cross near this route, I will be glad to belay you on this route. Often, I warm up on Metamorphosis and Clusterphobia at the beginning of my day at Rumney and finish up on Underdog, Far From Feral, etc, at the end of the day.

Good luck.
S. Neoh
Joined Oct 4, 2009
563 points
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Feb 18, 2013
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I can't figure out if this is a project, open project or has been cleanly lead free. In the ticks is
"Mike C Robinson Jul 21, 2012 all clean and rp"
but Sept 4 2012 he says " I have climbed it with 2 hangs but not got the official send yet"

Is this sent and open for business, Mike, or are you still working on it?
M Sprague
From New England
Joined Nov 9, 2006
6,303 points
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Feb 18, 2013
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confusing, yes, but i was up there the other day and it was still "red tagged"... i spoke to mike in the fall and he said he was still working it... i don't imagine he has had a chance to finish it up over the winter...
lee hansche
From goffstown, nh
Joined Jan 10, 2007
21,099 points
Apr 22, 2013
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I will be back on this project starting this week.
I will expect to have it wrapped up by Mid May 2013 at the latest.
The route is very important to me. I really have appriciated the many climbers stronger than I who have given me the time to send it.
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points
May 3, 2013
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After being back on the route a few more times this past week I'd say there is still a bit of cleaning to be done on the upper section.
A few flexing but not needed holds will be removed to prevent mistaken rock fall in the future (the largest being 2"x6"). I expect to get this done once I have sent the route clean (by mid/end of May). Once done my plan is to do a final cleaning so it is in safe, clean, and in solid condition for any who want to climb it.
Mike C. Robinson
From Rumney, NH
Joined Nov 23, 2006
2,359 points


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