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YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c

Type:  Trad, 1 pitch, 30'
Original:  YDS: 5.8 French: 5b Ewbanks: 16 UIAA: VI- ZA: 15 British: HVS 4c [details]
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Submitted By: alpenglow on Mar 16, 2008

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Fun crack that is a good first gear lead. The crux comes right off the ground but can be easily protected. The rest of the climb is a very fun and straight forward crack


Downhill and around the corner from unconquerable


up to a #2 Camalot

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By jpvandever
From: San Francisco, CA
Mar 17, 2008
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c

A #4 BD cam can be placed at eye level off the ground to keep from rolling down the slab if you fall at the crux (i.e. getting off the ground and into the crack).
By Logan Swartz
From: Davis, CA
Apr 15, 2013
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a

crux is getting off the ground
By David Engel
From: Santa Rosa, CA
Dec 3, 2015
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c

In reality, the crux off the ground might be harder than a 5.8 move, but the climbing above is at the 5.8 level. If that first move was 2000 feet up in Yosemite, we'd rate it higher. Probably most people try to stand high on the right, put the left foot sideways in the crack and pull onto the left foot or cross over with the right.
By Boriss
From: Sacramento
Jan 9, 2017

Felt around 5.9 to me. The tree is kind of a pain when you climb, but still fun.

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