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Lats Don't Have Feelings 

YDS: 5.11d French: 7a Ewbanks: 24 UIAA: VIII ZA: 25 British: E5 6a

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch, 75'
Original:  YDS: 5.11d French: 7a Ewbanks: 24 UIAA: VIII ZA: 25 British: E5 6a [details]
FA: Bob D'Antonio, Richard Aschert, Dave Dangle, Darryl Roth, 1987
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Submitted By: Richard M. Wright on Sep 24, 2001

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Ian Achey leading a proud onsight of Lats Don't Ha...


At just about the mid-point of Cactus Cliff is a red wall with two lines that nearly converge. The left is Lats and the right is Blood Red Wall. For Lats, fire up pockets and edges just left of a block that starts Blood Red. Chase a seam with pockets for an additional half dozen clips. It is very continuous 5.11 climbing with no terrifically specific crux that ticks in at 5.11d. Excellent stone.

N.B. Some of the old maps have misnamed Lats, so check the source. In the old versions, Blood Red was sometimes called Lats, however, Lats starts left of the block.


Eight bolts.

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Rock Climbing Photo: A.S. getting into the goods on "Lats Don't Ha...
A.S. getting into the goods on "Lats Don't Ha...
Rock Climbing Photo: Travis warming up, first route at shelf. Make it a...
Travis warming up, first route at shelf. Make it a...
Rock Climbing Photo: Ian Achey finishing the Aestethic Lats Don't Have ...
Ian Achey finishing the Aestethic Lats Don't Have ...
Rock Climbing Photo: Cactus Cliff - Left (2).  Errata: Route 31 is Tits...
BETA PHOTO: Cactus Cliff - Left (2). Errata: Route 31 is Tits...
Rock Climbing Photo: 4th bolt before repair.
BETA PHOTO: 4th bolt before repair.
Rock Climbing Photo: A.S. approaching the anchor of "Lats Don't Ha...
A.S. approaching the anchor of "Lats Don't Ha...
Rock Climbing Photo: A.S. reaching high on "Lats Don't Have Feelin...
A.S. reaching high on "Lats Don't Have Feelin...
Rock Climbing Photo: A.S. surveying the road ahead on "Lats Don't ...
A.S. surveying the road ahead on "Lats Don't ...
Rock Climbing Photo: Broken studs. 5th bolt on left, 4th on right.
BETA PHOTO: Broken studs. 5th bolt on left, 4th on right.
Rock Climbing Photo: Making the 3rd clip.
Making the 3rd clip.
Rock Climbing Photo: 5th bolt after repair.
BETA PHOTO: 5th bolt after repair.
Rock Climbing Photo: 5th bolt before repair.
BETA PHOTO: 5th bolt before repair.
Rock Climbing Photo: The 3rd bolt that was replaced 12-31-09. In with t...
The 3rd bolt that was replaced 12-31-09. In with t...
Rock Climbing Photo: Great route, final rest before the finish.
Great route, final rest before the finish.
Rock Climbing Photo: 4th bolt after repair.
BETA PHOTO: 4th bolt after repair.
Rock Climbing Photo: Long bolts require a special bit.
Long bolts require a special bit.

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By Dan Green
Jun 1, 2002

Climb is very continuous with a good jug a little above the mid point to take some of the edge off of your lactic burn. There is also a deep mono that you can shake out on. This route deserves 3 stars and is a must do for the grade. Nothing on the route is harder than 11c but the endurance test is what makes it really fun!
By Matt Johnson
Nov 6, 2002

*** don't think i've ever seen my lats explode through my skin before*** a must do!!! one of my favorites in the valley... just keep thinking "there's a rest soon i know it" but dont count on it...move fast!!.
By richard magill
Dec 2, 2002
rating: 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a

Classic! I did this again last weekend and I still think it is one of the nicest 5.11 sport climbs in the front range. Great stone, great continuity, and a building forearm pump the whole way!
By Anonymous Coward
Dec 15, 2003

I don't know why this has lats in the name. Forearm pump I felt, but it's vertical, so lats, not so much. It's also a really fun 11c-ish route. I also didn't think it was too run out, either. the holds are big thru there, and you won't hit anything if you fall.

Re: above can it be an onsight on your second burn? Did you keep your eyes closed for the first?
By Stephan Greenway
Dec 15, 2003

In the immortal words of Hiditaki Sizuki...."First time I climb not so good....second time Onsight Frrrrrash"
By willem
Jun 6, 2004

This climb has been retrobolted. The manky old cold shuts have been replaced with new hangers, and I believe two new bolts got added. Not sure why there is one about three feet from the anchors though....
By Ken Trout
From: Golden, CO
Dec 29, 2007
rating: 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a

New hangers are a start. More bolts might be okay but are not what this route really needs. Since the route has new hangers now, it is even more important to get rid of the old bolts. When the nuts were unsecrewed to put on the new hangers, the old bolts were likley weakened!! I've broken off several 3/8" wedge-bolts while trying to unscrew them with a short wrench.

It's not so hard to do it right at Shelf, thanks to the soft rock. I did a same-hole replacement of the first bolt on Arnold-Arnold years ago. Here is what worked for me. First, I drilled along the top-side of the old bolt with a 3/16" drill bit. Then, tapping the old bolt toward the new void, got it loose enough to pull easy, no crow-barring. Finally, I redrilled the hole to 1/2" and put in a 1/2" x 3" Rawl.

If the hole seems too wide, it is possible to use a 1/2" by 5 & 3/4" Rawl bolt. See my picture of the special bit needed for these long bolts. Flared holes have not been a problem for me at Shelf, but it's good to be ready.

I've been waiting for years for someone else to do the fix. Not the FA guys, they've done a lot for climbers. I've got a borrowed drill and lots the proper hardware, thanks to Kirk Miller. If I get motivated, then I'll update this page.
By GeoffElson Elson
Sep 15, 2008

In the picture topo it shows a additional route going left after the first few bolts and it is called "I Have a Vision" is this corect? I there a reason this marvelous route isn't submitted?
By climberz
Apr 16, 2009

A heads up.... The 3rd bolt and the 5th bolt are pretty bad, particularly the 3rd. From below, you can see a cm or so of the bolt sleeve. If the 3rd pulls (seems like it will sometime soon), decking will happen. If someone has the expertise and equipment, I would be happy to help. Too good a climb to have such shoddy gear on.
Looks like a same hole replacement will not work. The hole is eroded and flared on the bottom side.
By Rob Kepley
From: Westminster,CO
Apr 16, 2009
rating: 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a

Agree about the 3rd clip. I remember being kinda sketched out moving above it because the climbing is sorta tricky there.
By Jeff Welch
From: Denver, CO
May 25, 2009
rating: 5.11c/d 7a 24 VIII 25 E4 6a

Hopefully someone with the knowledge to do it properly (I don't) can go up there soon and replace the bad bolts. As someone else said, this climb is too aesthetic, too classic to have bad gear on it....
By Caleb Phillips
From: Boulder, CO
Oct 19, 2009

Is it just me or does the third clip risk a pretty serious ledge fall if you blow it? Maybe the terrain is easy there? Broken ankles suck.
By slim
Oct 19, 2009
rating: 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a

For me, the 3rd clip (currently 5th clip) was ALWAYS the crux of the route. If the bolt was a foot lower you could clip it from good holds and the best stance. Definitely be careful, as I had a partner blow the clip and come really close to getting busted up on the ledgy terrain below.
By Monty
From: Golden, CO
Jan 2, 2010

Replaced the 3rd bolt on New Year's Eve at night; new year, new hardware. The 3rd bolt was looking a little sketch especially for that soft stone.

The 5th bolt, yes the one that you clip before the "run-out" looks very similar to how the 3rd looked (not as bad), didn't know that when I was there that night. It's on my to do list.
By Jeff Welch
From: Denver, CO
Jan 3, 2010
rating: 5.11c/d 7a 24 VIII 25 E4 6a

Thanks, Monty!
By Doug Lintz
From: Kearney, NE
Jan 3, 2010

Thanks, Monty. It looks like you moved the replacement bolt a little lower, so hopefully it'll ease the sketchiness of the clip.
By Tony B
From: Around Boulder, CO
Dec 30, 2010

Lats don't have feelings afterall. Not a lats type of climb. Forearms, however, do have feelings and mine had some griping to do about trying this at the end of a cold day.
Nice climbing, but I can't give 4 stars to it.
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Jan 30, 2011
rating: 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a

Super awesome route. If you don't have endurance, this will get pretty pumpy.
By kzittle
From: Boulder, CO
May 10, 2011

Awesome route! My first 11+ route and loved it. Almost got the onsight, but the pump got the best of me going from the final bolt to the anchors. Excellent.
By Curt MacNeill
From: Boulder, CO
Jan 11, 2012

This route is dope! Mega classic and top 10 routes at Shelf. Be prepared to wait in line....
By Derek Lawrence
From: Bailey
Jan 22, 2012

5th and 4th bolts have been replaced. (While the 5th was the one with the rock blown out around it, after seeing how rusted it looked, I went ahead and replaced the 4th as well....)
Big thanks to ASCA for the hardware!!
By Ben Hall
From: Boulder, Colorado
Feb 14, 2013

First 11d onsight! This route seems to favor balancy climbers. Thin feet and committing crimps make this route a Shelf Road classic. Beautiful line.
By Jordan Hirro
From: Colorado Springs/Carbondale
Dec 2, 2013

Such a fun route! As mentioned, I didn't find any moves harder than 11c...just the fact that they're stacked back to back makes it more difficult. You definitely need the endurance for a solid redpoint. Go have fun!
By sanz
From: Raleigh, NC
Mar 23, 2014

Absolutely stellar route. Several 11+ cruxes with still 5.11 movement between. Bolt placement was much, much spicier than anything else we did at Shelf. Reminded me of the New. Do not blow the fifth clip.

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