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YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V ZA: 12 British: S 4b

Type:  Trad, Alpine, 8 pitches, Grade III
Original:  YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V ZA: 12 British: S 4b [details]
FA: Wiessner and Underhill
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Submitted By: Jay Knower on Oct 12, 2008

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Lakeview used to be a popular route. Then the Old Man fell down and strafed the middle pitches with rockfall. Ever since, climbers have seemed reluctant to climb on Cannon's right-side slabs. While Lakeview crosses right through the danger zone, the loose rock is not horrible and pretty easily avoided. The first few pitches and the last two might offer better climbing and better rock than on the over-crowded Whitney Gilman.

Start on the far right side of the cliff, at an obvious clearing. Head up, over 5.3-5.4, terrain for about 100 feet. When the overlaps start to angle up and left, follow the weakness in the rock, more left than up, past a runout 5.5 slab and then onto easier, but loose and gravelly, terrain. You should be crossing from right to left under the fresh rock scar where the Old Man once looked out proudly over the valley.

The general idea here is to head to the deep inside corner left of the Old Man rock scar. This is the Wiessner Corner. The pitch before the corner is classic, well-protected and steep. It's probably about 5.6 and is much better than any climbing on the WG. Belay on a sloping ledge. Then climb the obvious inside corner, which is blocked by a short, steep wall at its base. This wall is the crux and is not well protected. The holds are big, but a fall here would be ugly.

Once in the corner, enjoy the exposure and top out at a great, flat, overlook. You can belay off the remnants of the failed engineering project that was used, in vain, to keep the Old Man from succumbing to Cannon's tendency to fall apart.


Standard Cannon rack and certainly a helmet. Aside from one rap anchor (???), there are no fixed anchors.

Photos of Lakeview Slideshow Add Photo
Rock Climbing Photo: Looking up at the final pitch.  The flake that lea...
Looking up at the final pitch. The flake that lea...
Rock Climbing Photo: Old Man engineering
Old Man engineering
Rock Climbing Photo: The oh so sweet crack on P2
BETA PHOTO: The oh so sweet crack on P2
Rock Climbing Photo: Leader at the top of P1, taken from the start.
Leader at the top of P1, taken from the start.
Rock Climbing Photo: View just before the Crux
View just before the Crux
Rock Climbing Photo: View From Lunch Ledge
View From Lunch Ledge
Rock Climbing Photo: Pitch 2
Pitch 2
Rock Climbing Photo: Mark S below the last Pitch
Mark S below the last Pitch
Rock Climbing Photo: Belay Below the Weissner Corner
Belay Below the Weissner Corner
Rock Climbing Photo: The Au Chaval
The Au Chaval
Rock Climbing Photo: Looking down the fun cracks on the second-to-last ...
Looking down the fun cracks on the second-to-last ...
Rock Climbing Photo: Wiessner's exit corner. Archival photograph that h...
Wiessner's exit corner. Archival photograph that h...
Rock Climbing Photo: My partner and I climbed this route on 9/1/17. You...
BETA PHOTO: My partner and I climbed this route on 9/1/17. You...
Rock Climbing Photo: The view from the final belay.
The view from the final belay.
Rock Climbing Photo: Looking down the corner on the last pitch.  The fl...
Looking down the corner on the last pitch. The fl...
Rock Climbing Photo: Looking back at the second belay.
Looking back at the second belay.
Rock Climbing Photo: Looking up and right from the second to last belay...
Looking up and right from the second to last belay...
Rock Climbing Photo: Top of P1 with Tom
Top of P1 with Tom
Rock Climbing Photo: The Death Zone...Watch for loose pieces of our OLD...
The Death Zone...Watch for loose pieces of our OLD...
Rock Climbing Photo: After climbing into the fog all day, we finally sa...
After climbing into the fog all day, we finally sa...
Rock Climbing Photo: A panoramic taken from the second to last belay, l...
A panoramic taken from the second to last belay, l...
Rock Climbing Photo: Climbed 9/1/17. See previous photo for p1-p3. We d...
BETA PHOTO: Climbed 9/1/17. See previous photo for p1-p3. We d...
Rock Climbing Photo: Old Man of the Mountain from what was a climber's ...
Old Man of the Mountain from what was a climber's ...

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By John Joline
Oct 12, 2008

Miguel Peralta and I did this route today -- October 12, 2008 (same day as Jay K's post -- maybe you were the party ahead of us?). Miguel was about to lead up the final corner and at the last moment noticed a piton by his foot, semi-hidden by tufts of grass. This pin makes the move vastly less intimidating: if you fell you wouldn't go careening pro-less down the slab and pitch into the void. Jay you are spot-on about the quality of the first couple pitches of the route and the final two pitches!
By Jay Knower
From: Campton, NH
Oct 13, 2008

Yes, we did the route in the morning. Beautiful day, eh? I was surprised how enjoyable the route was.
By John Joline
Oct 13, 2008

Yes -- really an unexpectedly delightful experience, in spite of the sometimes horrifying loose-rock sections. In its present condition it's good training for raw, seldom-done alpine rock routes. At one newly-fractured spot I actually had to dig out a couple of belay-pro placements with my fingers, having used up the big cams. (Reminded me of one time in the Wind Rivers attempting a new route and being grateful that on lead I happened by chance to have a nut tool on me; one forgets that any less-than-vertical crack is originally filled with dirt -- even in the high West).

The places without rock fragments on this route are really beautiful and solid -- very classic granite. Hopefully more people will start doing it, and it'll continue to clean up nicely. It could, in fact, eventually end up better than the original version, with no more through-the-bushes pitches.
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Apr 29, 2009

Did this route with my friend Jakob yesterday as the finish of an enchainment of Cathedral, Whitehorse and Cannon... Loved Lakeview, here are a few comments...

Pitch 2: Super fun! after the first couple moves its like a slab route with huge jugs as you traverse on really cool cracks...

Pitch 3: A little confused with the guides description, it makes no mention of a slightly spooky run out slab pull over an overlap... thats what i ran in to... and it was fun...

Pitch 4-6: i was simulclimbing and got a little lost... went too left and not enough up and traversed under the lunch ledge so i ended up coming up left of lunch ledge to a nice little grass covered belay ledge...

Pitch 7: From my slightly lost spot I climbed a crack to the right ledge and did the really sweet 2nd to last pitch that jay described...

Pitch 8: I too was glad to find the pin at my feet before pulling the flake move in to the corner... By todays standards i think this move is a good bit harder than 5.6 and i bet there have been a lot of curses uttered from that flake out of fear and frustration...

Climb it its still good...
By bradley white
From: Bend
Jun 13, 2009

Did the run out of the third pitch. The pin has seen better days and should be replaced with a bugaboo. There's no protection early on besides this pin. People do fall. Sometimes unexpectedly, or worst rain. This pin can't fail! The consequences would be a bloody broken climber. 4th pitch we sent a coffee table rock down by accident. good thing nobody was below us. Also the trailing rope sent rocks down on this pitch. I recommend no climbing the slabs below when climbers are on Lakeview's upper pitches. 5th pitch we went right up a slab then right to a buttress right of the old man's debris slope. It worked out in getting us up to being above the debris by solid rock. It did put us in the bushes though. The way Lakeview has been described, it was climbed by Dan Brodien, Roger Damon and Andy Fisher in 1962. Wiesner's is the last 2 pitches only. An early line was climbed by Earle Whipple and Brad Giddings in 1960 slightly to the left of the standard ascent of Lakeview nowadays.
By Brian
From: North Kingstown, RI
Sep 2, 2010
rating: 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a

If you think the last pitch is sandbagged at is actually rated 5.5 (Webster, 2nd ed). I'm all for grade creep. I become a harder climber every time a new guidebook comes out. :-)
By Mike McLean
Oct 11, 2010
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b

Did the route yesterday. A few thoughts:
  • Loose rock really is an issue. I saw a half-man size boulder going down to the scree field. Scary!
  • Again the loose rock issue: I got clocked on the head by a rock. Wear those helmets
  • The middle 3 pitches aren't great, but shouldn't detract from the rest. All other pitches are quite worth it.
  • Descent took us over 1 hour, but the path is very obvious. We did the whole descent in the dark.
  • Very, very committing. It would be difficult to bail until you made it to the base of the old man
  • Went up with a single rope, but I'd probably not do that anymore.
  • Apart from a small section on the third pitch, gear is plentiful
  • Climbing is varied (slab, crack, stemming, layback)

>>Did the run out of the third pitch. The pin has seen better days
>> and should be replaced with a bugaboo. There's no protection early on besides this pin
Actually, there's a small cam placement in the vertical going up to the overlap.
By Matt Clifton
From: Berkeley, CA
Apr 15, 2012

I did the route yesterday (04-15-2012). I would second the comments on the loose rock.
  • Pitches 1-2 were fun, I especially liked the second pitch traverse with the fun rail.
  • Pitch 3 is not bad getting to the first pin (and there is a place for a blue metolius), after the pin the climbing is a bit runout, but the rock is still clean at this point.
  • Pitches 4 -6 (depending how you count) are pretty bad. For me this detracted from the overall route. The best way to describe it is dirty slab and crack climbing covered in kitty litter.
  • Pitch 7 was enjoyable but a bit wet at the crux (likely as it was April).
  • Pitch 8 is definitely sandbagged. If you are a 5.6 leader, use caution. That being said, its the best pitch on the route. The slab leading to the flake was also wet (again, it was April). After you climb the flake, there is a good place to rest before finishing off the fun dihedral.

To descend, just follow the large concrete channel to the right which will lead you to a nice trail back to the lake. Head right back to the parking lot on an easy trail.
By Reggie Pawle
Jun 21, 2012

My partner and I simulclimbed pitches 5 and 6. We were following the Chauvin guide, and I must have gone too far because my partner began simulclimbing for twenty feet or so (60m rope) before I began to climb up. On the way, I passed a shiny two-bolt anchor with two 4mm cords looped through each bolt, joined by a rap ring. Interesting. I eventually made it to a corner with a 1/4" bolt right next to a beautiful crack in a corner. Also interesting. We followed this crack to the last belay ledge.

Turns out that that corner is on Weissner's Dike. So basically, if you're climbing this thing at night and are worried you might have missed the sixth pitch turnoff, don't even worry about it, Weissner's dike has got you covered.
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Jun 21, 2012

The first time i did Lakeview i got lost in the very same way and linking up with that corner :) and just yesterday i climbed weissners for the first time and figured out that that was the really nice corner i had climbed! its great climbing so its not a bad mistake to make... after climbing lakeview again and consolation prize a few times i still cant figure out where im supposed to go under neith the old man wreckage but its all been fun exploration...
By Ryan Barber
From: Rumney, NH
Jul 7, 2012

Im seeing lot of comments on the loose sandy section in the middle which definitely gets the blood pumping for the soloist and lead climber alike. There is one particular rock I've climbed over twice which is the size of a small desk sitting in sand and which moves. I would put in a vote for some serious sweeping from above while someone below in radio contact keeps the area clear. Otherwise, small rocks will continue to roll down onto unsuspecting people walking the base. Or worse... One of the larger ones which is bound to come loose slides at the wrong time.
By Ryan Barber
From: Rumney, NH
Jul 7, 2012

PS. This is just my humble opinion, but I think grade II feels more reasonable.
By paul.mourer Mourer
Dec 7, 2012

did a night climb on this awhile ago, route finding was interesting to say the least. but i feel thats part of the challenge on cannon, is it not? definitely recommend the night climb, just keep an eye on weissners corner and you'll make it
By Ian Dibbs
Jun 21, 2013
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b PG13

As of June 2013 there was some fixed pro (2 nuts) at the end of the first pitch in the corner of the first overlap, and at the end of the second pitch where the major traversing starts (slung flake) which helps identify the route. Further on, the "2 shiny new bolts with 4mm cord/ring" is still there, I wonder where it leads ?
Be sure to save some strength for the end ... the last 2 pitches are by far the steepest and most tiring.
The flake on the final pitch ..... the flake is smooth and seemed pretty vertical, making it feel like 10 feet of 5.7- 5.8 climbing which requires a lot of arm strength. If you think your second is weak or could bonk out during the tiring finale of the climb, it could be an idea to bring them a small ascender for the flake move "just in case". For those of you who are sneering, I suspect you have never been high on a multipitch with a fading sun with a partner who says "I'm tired, I don't think I can make this move". Ever since I had the "experience" I now always carry a small emergency ascender, even though I've never had to use it.

I would suggest it to be prudent to always bring a windproof jacket, the wind coming down the Franconia Notch can be brisk and surprisingly cool, even on a sunny summers day . I suspect it's never a bad idea to bring a light hat as well.
By Alexander Smith
From: Boston Area
Jul 8, 2013
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b

I feel like I would have enjoyed this climb a lot more if it was not for the god damn black flies. Wear bug spray! My ears are swollen today lol. Fun climbing for the first 3 pitches, crappy climbing for the next three, and the last two are great again. Third pitch is a little sketchy (for me atleast). Pretty runout at times, especially when your on the difficult slab bit. Doing slabs direct on whitehorse really helped me prepare for the mental aspect of that pitch.
By Russ Keane
Jul 3, 2014

It's fun. A few interesting places of climbing. Otherwise it's just a moderate adventure that is alpiney and easy.
By Bill Matsinger
From: Rhode Island
Jul 21, 2014

Enjoyed the route on Saturday with AQ and Julie. Combined P4, 5 and 6 into 2 pitches and found adequate protection. Almost kicked down a large boulder just before Lunch Ledge, but caught it with my knee and secured it on the ledge. The last two pitches were great climbing, with good exposure and protection. I did not see the pin at the base of the Archival Flake until my second attempt and wished Sykes had mentioned it in his guide book; without it, the commitment was very high and I considered it a hard 6 move.
By John Schwelm
Sep 24, 2014

In October 1985 I was moving to North Wales in the UK and a friend and I climbed Lakeview. A very late start and we finished in a flurry of snow in the dark. We sat it out all night as we could not see beyond our arms reach and did not fancy the walk down along the cliffs edge. I bring it up because during the night a small plane crashed below into the face, anybody recall this? We were sitting up on top watching lights flash across the face thinking our wives had sent a rescue after us.
When we got down in the morning we drove straight to Macs and sat on the toilet floor under the hand dryers we were so friggin cold. We did not have any jackets and such and it was a miserable night. Staff brought us free burgers.
Another tale of woe from and older chap.
By Jay Morse
From: Hooksett, New Hampshire
Oct 16, 2016

Great route! Pitch 2 has got to be the funnest pitch of 5.3/5.4 anywhere, and the last two pitches are classic. The traverse pitches were better than expected from what I had read about the route - nothing great, but the rock quality is fine, and it was fun practicing route-finding and decision-making with very little beta besides "go towards the cables". However, there is plenty of loose rock around that your rope is bound to knock off, so DO NOT CLIMB ANYTHING BELOW LAKEVIEW IF SOMEONE IS ON IT! (Consolation Prize etc.) You could definitely follow another party up Lakeview, since the route constantly trends left and you'll never really be on top of each other - but give the party in front of you plenty of space. Wait until all climbers ahead of you make it up to the "lunch ledge" below the final two pitches before making your way to the anchors underneath it. It doesn't matter how careful or experienced you are, your rope is bound to knock off some rocks that could easily kill someone, and it is your fault if you are underneath anyone up there when it happens!

Overall protection was fine if you're a solid 5.6 leader. Mildly spicy at the P3 slab crux at the grade, but if you have ever led any friction slab you'll be fine. If you've never led friction slab it's probably feels pretty heady and committing. It's also spicy for the grade at the flake on the second to last pitch because the fall consequence is pretty horrible (The pin that used to be at the base is now gone. You can fit a BD #0 or 00 cam in there, but the crack is usually seeping, and between the wetness and the low force rating on these small cams, it may not hold) but it's a short piece of climbing and is very secure if you just stick your leg in the back of it, cam your leg, and just hump it.

The views are beautiful, the belay ledges were comfortable, and overall I thought this route was every bit the NH moderate classic that Standard Route on Whitehorse is - I think a little better actually.

I was happy to have 3 double=length runners in addition to my alpine draws for extending pieces during the traverse pitches. I'll bring 4-5 next time.
By Todd Soto
Oct 17, 2016

Just bailed on this yesterday due to rain and late start. I met a party on the approach that said they might be able to grab my gear that I left behind. Next time I climb this I am going to try to replace the thread at the first belay.
By Ian Dibbs
Jul 5, 2017
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b PG13

I tried the usual approach trail up (near Profile Lake), it was usable in 2013 but now, it seems to disappear about 3/4 up, in the big moss covered boulders, just where you want it the most. If trail is still there .... it is hiding very well. There must be a better way up .....

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