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Jan 14, 2016
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Rhiannon Williams and Amy Lipschultz, two super cool lady-crushers are creating a "Rockumentary" about what it means to be a female climber exploring the world. They just launched a Kickstarter campaign, and I figured I'd post up here to share the love. Even if you don't contribute the preview video is worth a watch.

kickstarter.com/projects/17298...

Rock Climbing Photo: An example of Rhiannon Williams artwork.
An example of Rhiannon Williams artwork.
Luke Mehall
From Durango, Colorado
Joined May 12, 2009
2,007 points
Jan 14, 2016
This is to fund their climbing vacation? No thanks. Hope they have a lot of fun, though. FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
284 points
Jan 14, 2016
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FrankPS wrote:
This is to fund their climbing vacation? No thanks. Hope they have a lot of fun, though.

Hey Frank, I noticed you are an American Alpine Club member. How do you feel about the AAC supplying climbers with grant money to fund their climbing vacations?
Shelton Hatfield
Joined Apr 18, 2011
585 points
Jan 14, 2016
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I really should start one of these to fund my diabetic climbing trip... ViperScale
Joined Dec 22, 2013
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Jan 14, 2016
Nice video but can we pleeeaasse collectively start using different adjectives besides 'stoke' and 'psyched' , they are so over used in our sport . vincent L.
From Redwood City
Joined Jan 1, 2005
605 points
Jan 14, 2016
vincent L. wrote:
Nice video but can we pleeeaasse collectively start using different adjectives besides 'stoke' and 'psyched' , they are so over used in our sport .


The whole description sounds a bit like an explosion in a cliche factory.....
Eric Engberg
Joined Apr 28, 2009
2 points
Jan 14, 2016
Eric Engberg wrote:
The whole description sounds a bit like an explosion in a cliche factory.....


Amen.
I wish them the best, but start out by saying we all perceive limitations for women?
Self-esteem much?
lloyd
Joined May 13, 2011
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Jan 14, 2016
I'm stoked to climb and I don't want to work either. Send me money! shredward
Joined Mar 22, 2015
1 points
Jan 14, 2016
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Shelton Hatfield wrote:
Hey Frank, I noticed you are an American Alpine Club member. How do you feel about the AAC supplying climbers with grant money to fund their climbing vacations?



A grant is a bit different from a kickstarter
The Blueprint Part Dank
From FEMA Region VIII
Joined Jun 21, 2013
464 points
Jan 14, 2016
The Blueprint Part Dank wrote:
A grant is a bit different from a kickstarter


Maybe most kickstarters, but not THIS kickstarter.
Alan12878
From Morrison, CO
Joined Dec 29, 2013
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Jan 14, 2016
vincent L. wrote:
Nice video but can we pleeeaasse collectively start using different adjectives besides 'stoke' and 'psyched' , they are so over used in our sport .


How about "Woot"?

They mention in the trailer that they want to make a documentary to "explore female climbing culture", which I think could be really interesting - but everything else on their page points to it being basically a video of their climbing trip - they don't really mention anything about how they plan to tackle "exploring female climbing culture" or interviewing other female climbers, researching, etc....

If I'm going to help fund a documentary, I'd like to know a little more about their plans to make the documentary, not just their plans to go on a climbing trip - what is their experience making films, what approach are they taking to tackle their topic, what other experienced people/production companies etc. are on board to help them get the film made.

Sounds like it could be a great idea, I encourage them to flesh out their kickstarter page with a LOT more details! On the other hand, if it's really just "please fund our trip that we're going to also film", then that's fine too, just be clear about it.

(I also have to say I haven't noticed the same lack of female climbers represented at film festivals that they seem to have.)
Em Cos
From Boulder, CO
Joined Apr 21, 2010
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Jan 14, 2016
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Based purely on the above comments. I'd say this documentary is way overdue.

(update, add) the below comments as well.
Ray Lovestead
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 9, 2008
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Jan 14, 2016
Em Cos wrote:
They mention in the trailer that they want to make a documentary to "explore female climbing culture", which I think could be really interesting - but everything else on their page points to it being basically a video of their climbing trip - they don't really mention anything about how they plan to tackle "exploring female climbing culture" or interviewing other female climbers, researching, etc.... If I'm going to help fund a documentary, I'd like to know a little more about their plans to make the documentary, not just their plans to go on a climbing trip - what is their experience making films, what approach are they taking to tackle their topic, what other experienced people/production companies etc. are on board to help them get the film made. Sounds like it could be a great idea, I encourage them to flesh out their kickstarter page with a LOT more details! On the other hand, if it's really just "please fund our trip that we're going to also film", then that's fine too, just be clear about it. (I also have to say I haven't noticed the same lack of female climbers represented at film festivals that they seem to have.)


+1

If they're serious about getting investors, they need to present their campaign like a business proposal and really flesh out WHY someone should give them money. What qualifies them to be documentary film makers? What is so compelling about their theme and how do they plan to explore it? Based on what they have written so far it sounds like they just decided that kickstarter would be a good way to fund their trip and a documentary was the product that could come out of it.
LindsayH
From Kingston, NY
Joined Jun 25, 2014
55 points
Jan 14, 2016
Sisterhood of the Traveling Harness? I was waiting for someone to skip through a field.

"There are plenty of women out there who are also accomplishing film-worthy feats!" Are we going to meet these other women, or are we just watching the same two women?

"We have a lot to learn in terms of filming, editing, and marketing and we want to dedicate the next year of our lives to this project. Injury, weather, and giggling could potentially present challenges" Em's got it spot on. No details, no monies. There is not really creditability that they know what they are doing or that a product is even going to be finished at all.

A little bit more preparation would make a woman focused climbing video awesome, but not this one.


Em, I'm with you. Other than the few particular women I know that got screwed when features were due in the "reel" world... I'm not disappointed in the climbing movie scene. I'll go on Vimeo anyway if I want to find my "lady stoke".
Aubrey W
From Boulder, Colorado
Joined Feb 1, 2015
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Jan 14, 2016
Shelton Hatfield wrote:
Hey Frank, I noticed you are an American Alpine Club member. How do you feel about the AAC supplying climbers with grant money to fund their climbing vacations?


Good question (because I had to think about how this kickstarter is different than AAC grants..."free money to climbers")

!. I get the two books from the AAC each year and that alone is worth the price of membership to me. In addition to rescue insurance, climbers' huts, etc.

2. If you go to the AAC grants page, you'll see that the biggest ones are supported and sponsored by companies and foundations other than the AAC; e.g. The North Face.

Maybe a small portion of my dues goes to fund some of the grants, but I feel like the other benefits of AAC membership offset those giveaways.

People can do whatever they want with their money, but giving out money for the sole purpose of funding a stranger's vacation/trip/climbing adventure (with an accompanying film) is not something I choose to do.
FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
284 points
Jan 14, 2016
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Ray Lovestead wrote:
Based purely on the above comments. I'd say this documentary is way overdue.


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The Blueprint Part Dank
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Jan 14, 2016
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"Super cool lady crushers" brah! Like, they're totally getting after that sick gnarly gnar gnar! The Blueprint Part Dank
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Jan 17, 2016
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vincent L. wrote:
Nice video but can we pleeeaasse collectively start using different adjectives besides 'stoke' and 'psyched' , they are so over used in our sport .

I make the suggestion steel to replace stoke and psyched.

Climber1: I am steeled up for this route.

Climber2: It's good to be mentally prepared and excited for that climb.

I make the suggestion for "did" in short for splendid to replace rad.

Climber1: How was that climb brah, rad or what?

Climber2: I don't recognize your antiquated vocabulary, it was most "did."

I make the suggestion "prod" short for prodigious to replace rad or awesome.

Climber1: That line is so "prod" really take the breath away.

Climber2: Certainly is awe inspiring
Stephenmontgomery
From Maryland
Joined Jun 30, 2014
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Jan 19, 2016
Chris's article about this thread:

fringesfolly.com/2016/01/18/do...
Corey27
From Baltimore, Maryland
Joined Mar 11, 2013
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Jan 19, 2016
That blog post is like a Hateumentary.

Hate, haters, blah, blah, hate, haters, hatest, hating, etc. Too bad the writer didn't bother to glean some of the perceptions and concerns of the people who replied here. Yeah, it always gets a little nasty here, but there were some legitimate points being made along the way.

I for one still think my point is valid. I don't automatically perceive women as being inferior to men at anything. I've seen too many stand-up, strong, powerful women climbers. Them starting off by telling me that I'm saddling them with limitations and using it as the basis for their film is pure b.s.

This is what they said:

Rockumentary wrote:
We are ready. We're ready to get scared, to try hard, to fail and to push ourselves beyond the limits that we, as women, are perceived to be bound by. We are two best friends dreaming of breaking through these limitations.
lloyd
Joined May 13, 2011
5 points
Jan 19, 2016
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I don’t think that blog post is very perceptive, by just saying basically everyone is jealous and you should ignore them. It is ignoring that there are some pretty big holes in their Kickstarter campaign that people like Em and Lindsay pointed out. I have helped fund other people’s Kickstarter campaigns that were well put together for example when the smiley’s were raising money for their 50 classic climbs ambition. This rockumentary campaign really lacks resumes both on the climbing side and from the stand point of making videos. I thought the artwork they used in there video was neat but half suspected that this campaign is more about trying to drive people to buy her artwork then the Kickstarter goal. (15k seemed a bit out of reach) I should be there target audience as part of the reason I funded the smiley’s is I liked seeing women go after some of the big climbs but the poor planning in this campaign is not attractive. I think pushing past the sometimes unkind way people are commenting on the project and updating the campaign to fill in what’s missing might be worth the effort if they are serious. ErikaB
From Boulder, CO
Joined Jun 10, 2011
23 points
Jan 19, 2016
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Good luck to them. There´s a lot they should do to develop the theme, but I hope they reach their goal and I hope they have a successful campaign.

Not every kickstarter works out. I funded one of a woman who was going to write a book about her father who died in the Canadian Rockies only to have his body rediscovered a couple of decades later as the glacier melted. She apparently got sick and never wrote the book. I doubt she ever will write the book either. That experience won´t stop me from backing another project, though, and I don´t think the lack of info on their page should prevent people from donating to these ladies.

If it´s not your cup of tea, don´t donate. If it is, have at it. Maybe you´ll get something out of it. Maybe you´ll get nothing. Or maybe you´ll just get the satisfaction of helping someone discover something, even if the final product never comes to be. It´d be nice if we all had that opportunity. Honestly, the only way we´d ever get that is if we actually participated. Giving is a great way to receive.
GMBurns
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523 points
Jan 19, 2016
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Corey27 wrote:
Chris's article about this thread:


This is the same Chris "I just found this interesting blog about the Dawn Wall (that I happened to write...)" Kalman?

In that case, naturally there are many jealous haters of that kind of brilliance, talent and unflinching honesty.

Wouldn't be surprised if Corey27 is another CK avatar.
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
517 points
Jan 19, 2016
(My reply to that blog post, reposted here as I'm not sure my comment will be published over there:)


There's a lot more hate in this blog than I see on the Mountain Project thread. Do you really think "hate" is an appropriate way to describe comments such as "No thanks", "Me too", or "This could be a great idea with a bit more preparation"?
You're pretty disrespectful of these ladies and their project by insisting on repeatedly referring to them as "girls", even changing the name of their project from "Lady Stoke: a Rockumentary" to "Girl Stoke: a Rockumentary". Are you intentionally trying to belittle them, or does your research for the articles you write not get as thorough as looking at the giant title front and center on their kickstarter page?

In response to the 4 points you made:
1. I don't see any of these comments as hate OR jealousy, just questioning the legitimacy of their project. When someone asks you for money to fund a documentary, you have every right to question the legitimacy and the details of their project, in fact you'd be irresponsible not to.
2. Nope, we don't know shit about their project, I think that was the point. Again, when you ask someone for money to fund your project, you should be very forthcoming with all sorts of details about it. The main criticism was "nice idea, but we don't know shit about your project". Is your point that not knowing shit about their project is not enough basis to make this specific critique?
3. Nobody told them not to try. In fact, the very first comment which you partially quoted actually says "This is to fund their climbing vacation? No thanks. Hope they have a lot of fun, though." Other comments that were included with the (often valid and politely stated) criticism include: "Nice video"; "I wish them the best"; "Sounds like it could be a great idea"; "I'd say this documentary is way overdue".
4. Again, characterizing the comments on the MP thread as hatred is, from my point of view, a gross exaggeration. I can't understand where you got the idea that anyone on that thread "wish(es) with all their hearts to destroy your dreams."

When you have a few respectful but critical comments and questions about a business proposition (yes, that is what it is when you are asking investors to help fund your creation of a product), if you perceive it as "a deluge of endless criticism and pessimism", you are going to have a rough time. Rather than assume everyone who does not agree with you are "haters" who are "jealous, they don't know what they're talking about", take it as a valuable opportunity to learn what you can. Try to be as open as you can to criticism, evaluate it as objectively as you can. The parts that are valid, learn from them and do better next time. The parts that are not valid, or not useful to you, yes shrug those off. And yes, by all means, follow your dreams. But if you do so with an open mind and a willingness to share your ideas, learn from others, adjust your plans when needed, and continually work to improve, you will get there much faster.
Em Cos
From Boulder, CO
Joined Apr 21, 2010
11 points
Jan 19, 2016
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Stephenmontgomery wrote:
I make the suggestion steel to replace stoke and psyched. Climber1: I am steeled up for this route. Climber2: It's good to be mentally prepared and excited for that climb. I make the suggestion for "did" in short for splendid to replace rad. Climber1: How was that climb brah, rad or what? Climber2: I don't recognize your antiquated vocabulary, it was most "did." I make the suggestion "prod" short for prodigious to replace rad or awesome. Climber1: That line is so "prod" really take the breath away. Climber2: Certainly is awe inspiring



I'm really steeled up about the fact that I can use that word now.
Eli Buzzell
From Lives in a 4runner
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Jan 19, 2016
Mark E Dixon wrote:
This is the same Chris "I just found this interesting blog about the Dawn Wall (that I happened to write...)" Kalman?

Lol, loving the investigative commenting. Wish main stream media made that much effort! Not sure why anybody bothers to respond to anything coming out of that blog.

Edited to add: here's the thread for reference.
reboot
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