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Jul 12, 2012
. Cunning Linguist
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Jul 12, 2012
Zs are trick pieces - you will never need them on trade routes. Andrew Gram
From Salt Lake City, UT
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Jul 12, 2012
agreed. kevin deweese
From Oakland, Ca
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Jul 13, 2012
The 'C' is C3 stands for clean. kilonot
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Jul 22, 2012
+ 1000000000000000


BTW if your a noob to aid what are looking at a C3 route for anyway .

May I suggest you spend that energy working on your gear and rope management skills first
and worry about stacking gear- bashing pins second.

the biggest beef I've ever had with noobs on a wall has been piss poor management skills .

Now if yer hearts set on some z's I've got a few extra original Leepers id part with.

good luck up there YER GUNNA DIE!
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Nov 2, 2012
Grivel makes "Z,s" jc5462
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Nov 2, 2012
I don't think you folk know what Killer is asking...

First off... Bigwallrog, My first aid wall was Lunar Ecstasy in Zion.
This was when it went from A3+ to C3+ (back in the day before i was all beat out...) Cool yer jets!

Second off.. You can place, and stack pins, without a hammer. This is clean aid folks.

Go for it Killer! If you are good with gear, you might be slow, but should have no trouble figuring things out. And Andrew is right, you probably won't need them on a trade route. (unless a topo said so.)

Happy Friday!

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