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Jan 4, 2014
The Angeles Nation Forest Service has a plan to allow climbers back to Williamson Rock.

This is it:
a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/...

They want your comments on the proposed plan and they want to know why you like Williamson and want to see climbers return.

This is the Email address to send comments:

comments-pacificsouthwest-angeles@fs.fed.us

Please help regain access to this unique and wonderful crag by taking a couple of minutes read the proposal and send your message.
Thank You !!
steepfriends
Joined Feb 25, 2007
0 points
Jan 6, 2014
Rock Climbing Photo: Sooooo goooood.
how are folks feeling about this? seems super restrictive to me, but is this a scenario where something better than nothing?

esp. this -
Implement a long-term closure of segments of the MYLF Designated Critical Habitat (DCH)and adjacent areas that have historically provided direct human access into the DCH. This includes closure of all stream-based rock climbing routes (e.g. the “Stream Wall” and
“London Wall”), as well as the area of “user-created” braided trails and paths along scree slopes between CA-2 and Williamson Rock.

and this -
Implement a seasonal closure of the Williamson Rock climbing area from January 1 to August 15, to minimize impacts to MYLF and/or peregrine falcons during breeding/nesting seasons. Seasonal restrictions may be extended if monitoring feedback indicates the need.
Peter nichols
Joined Nov 22, 2013
14 points
Jan 6, 2014
Besides a personal note, these are my comments sent to the ANF.


CONCERNS:

  • Implement a long-term closure of segments of the MYLF Designated Critical Habitat (DCH) and adjacent areas that have historically provided direct human access into the DCH. This includes closure of all stream-based rock climbing routes (e.g. the “Stream Wall” and
“London Wall”), as well as the area of “user-created” braided trails and paths along scree
slopes between CA-2 and Williamson Rock.

This seems reasonable. Proof should be provided from investigating biologists of how and why they believe the frogs use these particular areas.

  • Construct a “soft” physical barrier (e.g., cable barrier bolted/anchored into rock at stream banks) along the interface of the Williamson Rock staging area and Little Rock Creek.

Streams and canyons throughout the Angeles National Forest are littered with debris (cables, rebar, concrete, railing, anchors, fencing, etc.) that were once part of various construction efforts that were considered "good ideas" at the time by the Forest Service. This should be taken into consideration before construction of any further man made barriers.

  • Implement a seasonal closure of the Williamson Rock climbing area from January 1 to
August 15, to minimize impacts to MYLF and/or peregrine falcons during breeding/nesting
seasons. Seasonal restrictions may be extended if monitoring feedback indicates the need.

Any necessity for seasonal closure should be explained in detail as to exactly how and why this will benefit the MYLF. Peregrine falcon nesting has been observed in the Eagles Roost buttress area for decades and climbers have always respected this and avoided the area during this time on a voluntary basis. A seasonal closure for this reason alone is unnecessary.

I believe dogs should not be allowed at Williamson Rock due to waste disposal issues.

The additional actions outlined in this proposal such as human waste management, scree slope (old trail) rehabilitation, boundaries, signage and limited use area(s) seem reasonable and should be developed in a way that will provide as much protection as possible to the endangered MYLF.

Sincerely,
steepfriends
Joined Feb 25, 2007
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Jan 7, 2014
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Write and ask them to drop the closure period. Aug 15 is halfway through the season. That will only leave about two-three months of climbing in the year! There will be few climbers there midweek and none at night. There is no need to have the rock closed until August. other
From San Diego, CA
Joined Apr 3, 2006
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Jan 7, 2014
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Great points, steepfriends. The proposed plan seems excessively restrictive, especially the Jan. 1 - Aug. 15 closure. And the USFS deems the impacts of constructing a "soft barrier" acceptable, but not that of climbers? Just more USFS regulatory horsesh@$t.
"Those who make the rules break the rules as they see fit."
Benjamin Chapman
From Small Town, USA
Joined Jan 2, 2007
16,272 points
Jan 20, 2014
If you're looking for a good summary of the issues, here is a link to the Allied Climbers of San Diego's website. We've got links to the FS scoping letter, our response, and bullet points for your letters:

alliedclimbers.org/access-issu...

comments are due by Jan 24
tom donnelly
From san diego
Joined Aug 15, 2002
367 points
May 25, 2014
What's the status of the Williamson closure? Seems like the threads all came to an end and I wasn't able to find any details on the ACSD site.

I heard that they weren't enforcing the closure, but I don't plan on finding out firsthand... don't want to perpetuate the "careless climber" stereotype, or get fined/incarcerated.
HankG
From Flagstaff, AZ
Joined Oct 2, 2010
46 points
May 26, 2014
The ANF is currently working on a proposal that may allow climbing w/retrictions by the end of the year.
They will be asking for public input in July/August of this year.

I'll update my post on Supetopo, Mtn Proj and RC.com next week after I speak with officials at the ANF and report on any news I may obtain from them (ANF).

This will give everyone a clear picture of what is proposed and a chance to voice our concerns.

Wayne
steepfriends
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May 27, 2014
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Thanks! Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
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May 27, 2014
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Gonna be crazy as hell if it's only gonna be open a few months in season. Meme Guy
From Land of Runout Slab
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May 29, 2014
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"Just more USFS regulatory horsesh@$t."



Agree 100%....
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
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May 29, 2014
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Meme Guy wrote:
Gonna be crazy as hell if it's only gonna be open a few months in season.



so true, esp with 95% of the best climbs closed off.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
May 29, 2014
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Any chance they'll have a cookout when they re-open it? Maybe serve frog legs?

Just a thought.
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
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May 30, 2014
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Locker wrote:
Any chance they'll have a cookout when they re-open it? Maybe serve frog legs? Just a thought.


Got any gud recipes???
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points
Jun 1, 2014
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Guy Keesee wrote:
Got any gud recipes???


I've got a few. Frog legs are damn good too, even better than turtle stew.
Meme Guy
From Land of Runout Slab
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Feb 10, 2015
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from supertopo: supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2... Thomas Beck
From Las Vegas, Nevada
Joined Feb 5, 2006
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Mar 19, 2015
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BUMP.... for Geronimo.

Hi, read this.... for the full story.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
363 points


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