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Have and Not Need T,S 
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Have and Not Need 

YDS: 5.10c French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII ZA: 20 British: E2 5b

Type:  Trad, Sport, 4 pitches
Original:  YDS: 5.10c French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII ZA: 20 British: E2 5b [details]
FA: Eddie Begoon, Todd Offenbacher
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Submitted By: Martin Jacaruso on Jul 27, 2009

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Todd Offenbacher on belay with Eddie on lead doing...


Nice often drier variation start to Fathom Direct. Climb SS bolts up face. Either continue up Fathom Direct or up grooves to Fathom.


Start is in between Fathom Direct and Hone Ranger.


Pro up to 3" is normal. Need two 60m ropes for rap.

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Rock Climbing Photo: Eddie Begoon during the first ascent at Laurel Kno...
Eddie Begoon during the first ascent at Laurel Kno...
Rock Climbing Photo: Jeff following the 3rd pitch.
Jeff following the 3rd pitch.
Rock Climbing Photo: Amazing grooves!
Amazing grooves!
Rock Climbing Photo: Wyatt following the first pitch.
Wyatt following the first pitch.

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By TomCaldwell
From: Clemson, S.C.
Apr 4, 2011

P1 10a, climb up to some closely spaced bolts when the climbing is hard and then bolts get further apart as the climbing gets easier. The last two bolts to the anchor is definitely spicy. This is about 120'.

P2 5.9, move left of the belay into a water groove and make the 20' run to the first bolt. Once you get that bolt the head game eases. Get some gear in off to the sides of the climb in between the bolts. 24" runners are useful on this pitch.

P3 10c, move up clipping the occasional bolt and make the technical crux moves to the anchors below the 4th pitch of Fathom.
By Greg Berry
Jun 12, 2012

3 pitches of 5.10. Very R rated. Don't do this route unless you are comfortable on 5.11 slab. The route that could of been. This route is of high quality if you don't mind the mind melt.

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