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Mar 23, 2016
I just heard the Gunks MUA is scheduled to close May 2. This is from Gunks Climbers Coalition's facebook page. Wondering if anyone else had any more info. Matty1985
From Philadelphia
Joined Aug 19, 2012
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Mar 23, 2016
Oh god I hope not - the AAC campground leaves a whole lot to be desired. Emmett Lyman
From Somerville, MA
Joined Feb 7, 2011
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Mar 23, 2016
Alas, t'is true. Closing May 3rd. Gunkiemike
Joined Jul 29, 2009
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Mar 23, 2016
So what is the status of off season camping now? I spent some winter weekends at the mua this past winter. Kyle Ondy
From Somerset, NJ
Joined Sep 3, 2015
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Mar 24, 2016
Here's the post for reference:

facebook.com/gunksclimbers/pos...

Everyone knew it was coming. Just a matter of when.
Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Joined Jul 10, 2010
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Mar 24, 2016
Is the preserve going to keep turning a blind eye to crashing in the back of the car in the parking lot or am I going to start getting hassled like I'm in the Valley. Heat seaking goggles for the cops?


I was there last weekend probably about 10 cars crashed out there overnight cops rolled through but didn't bother anyone..
crakatoa
From Boulder,Co
Joined May 5, 2014
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Mar 24, 2016
The end of an era.

What a shame.
Eric G.
From Saratoga Springs, NY
Joined Apr 18, 2012
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Mar 24, 2016
Walmart lets you sleep in your vehicle in their parking lots. I can only hope that the preserve we pay to be a member of will allow us to sleep in our vehicles. As long as we stay in the vehicles. Tylerpratt
From Litchfield, Connecticut
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Mar 24, 2016
Thats a bummer... is there still a low cost option, slime? Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
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Mar 24, 2016
Slime is already closed. The new campground is 38 for non members and I think 24 for members for two tent sites max 4 people and one parking spot per night. That's now the "low cost" option. That's the really shitty thing about this. I really see the one parking spot per sight rule at the new campground being a big problem. Where in the hell is everyone that doesn't live together going to park their vehicles? I hope there is a commuter lot nearby?? But, who really wants to park a car full of gear at a commuter lot overnight... Tylerpratt
From Litchfield, Connecticut
Joined Feb 25, 2016
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Mar 24, 2016
Time to bust out the 10-man tents! Jon Frisby
From New York, NY
Joined Feb 24, 2013
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Mar 24, 2016
That was my first thought until I read they only allow four people per sight. Maybe they make exceptions for couples with three children though? lol Tylerpratt
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I've met the manager. He seems cool - I like the idea of supporting him/the Club, but I really want a free place to sleep the 2-3 nights a week I'm up there AND actually build a fire. Jon Frisby
From New York, NY
Joined Feb 24, 2013
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Mar 24, 2016
Disappointing to lose another camping option :( MojoMonkey
Joined Jan 29, 2009
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Mar 24, 2016
Tylerpratt wrote:
Slime is already closed. The new campground is 38 for non members and I think 24 for members for two tent sites max 4 people and one parking spot per night. That's now the "low cost" option. That's the really shitty thing about this. I really see the one parking spot per sight rule at the new campground being a big problem. Where in the hell is everyone that doesn't live together going to park their vehicles? I hope there is a commuter lot nearby?? But, who really wants to park a car full of gear at a commuter lot overnight...


Yeah, the parking is really a problem, and the tiny sites are just terrible. Another troubling thing that's easy to overlook is the zero-tolerance cancellation policy within a week. You have to make reservations months in advance to have a chance on a busy weekend, and then if it gets rained out you can't even get a refund. The arrangement just sucks - I hope it's all growing pains and they're able to improve over time, but somehow I'm not too optimistic.
Emmett Lyman
From Somerville, MA
Joined Feb 7, 2011
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Mar 24, 2016
Tylerpratt wrote:
Slime is already closed. The new campground is 38 for non members and I think 24 for members for two tent sites max 4 people and one parking spot per night. That's now the "low cost" option. That's the really shitty thing about this. I really see the one parking spot per sight rule at the new campground being a big problem. Where in the hell is everyone that doesn't live together going to park their vehicles? I hope there is a commuter lot nearby?? But, who really wants to park a car full of gear at a commuter lot overnight...


Atop of that its an additional 12 bucks to part another car at the AAC...robbery.

I honestly dont care for the AAC, it is mismanaged and overpriced...lights out at 10...
D-Roc
Joined Jun 3, 2013
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Mar 24, 2016
Morgan Patterson wrote:
Thats a bummer... is there still a low cost option, slime?


Creekview...20+ minutes away...

It can be a little wet / buggy - 10 bucks a night i think?
D-Roc
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Mar 24, 2016
seems like yet another nail in the coffin for what was 'great' about the gunks in my life...

I stopped climbing there regularly years ago but this money grab really seems like it went in the wrong direction for now... rather than increasing access it has decreased it and raised the standard to people willing to pay $$$.
Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
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Mar 24, 2016
Morgan Patterson wrote:
seems like yet another nail in the coffin for what was 'great' about the gunks in my life... I stopped climbing there regularly years ago but this money grab really seems like it went in the wrong direction for now... rather than increasing access it has decreased it and raised the standard to people willing to pay $$$.


Cleaning up/pushing out the riff-raff. ;)
Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Joined Jul 10, 2010
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Mar 24, 2016
Actually you don't have to make reservations months in advance. Usually fills up a few days in advance for a weekend. There are also 20 spots that you cannot reserve ahead of time so it is a first come first serve basis. If you do not have a reservation and you miss out on the first 20 open sites then yes you are out of luck. Parking is an issue but there is not much you can do about it except pave a bigger parking lot? If anyone looked at the MUA parking lot at the end of a long weekend there was always half a 10 yard dumpster of trash left behind in a carry in carry out area. It is not surprising the state had gotten tired of cleaning it up. It is sad that the actions of a few ruined a free place to crash. In regards to the lack of campfires that is a Town of Gardiner Issue and there isn't anything the campground can change unfortunately. jdrago
From Rosendale, NY
Joined Apr 22, 2013
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Mar 24, 2016
Tylerpratt wrote:
Slime is already closed. The new campground is 38 for non members and I think 24 for members for two tent sites max 4 people and one parking spot per night. That's now the "low cost" option. That's the really shitty thing about this. I really see the one parking spot per sight rule at the new campground being a big problem. Where in the hell is everyone that doesn't live together going to park their vehicles? I hope there is a commuter lot nearby?? But, who really wants to park a car full of gear at a commuter lot overnight...

There's one tent platform per site large enough to put two 2-3 person backpacking tents.
You can leave a second vehicle at the bottom parking lot of the east Trapps parking in back of the welcome center. There's a trail that connects with the AAC campground.
I hope they loosen up the rules regarding the fire-pit, not being allowed to add wood without approval of the caretaker (or stash a potato in the coals)...
Luc-514
From Montreal, Quebec
Joined Nov 27, 2006
8,318 points
Mar 24, 2016
You can add wood whenever you want except at 10 pm it is over or at least letting the fire burn out anyway. jdrago
From Rosendale, NY
Joined Apr 22, 2013
15 points
Mar 24, 2016
Morgan Patterson wrote:
seems like yet another nail in the coffin for what was 'great' about the gunks in my life.


Yep, this is the official end, the Gunks and I have broken up and we're not getting back together again, and this time I mean it.
Eric G.
From Saratoga Springs, NY
Joined Apr 18, 2012
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Mar 24, 2016
jdrago wrote:
It is sad that the actions of a few ruined a free place to crash.


I highly doubt that was the rational for closing the place... the pay area is why the free area was closed plain and simple.

I never read of any serious discussions about keeping the MUA open... clearly there is more demand than capacity at the new campground so i wouldnt believe any arguement that slime and MUA were to close due to lack of interest. It would think it was how do you charge people to stay when there's free camping next door? You don't you close the free camping to capitalize on the pay campground. It was clearly a money decision, not a resource/demand consideration.
Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
8,157 points
Mar 24, 2016
Morgan Patterson wrote:
I highly doubt that was the rational for closing the place... the pay area is why the free area was closed.

Do you know this for certain or is it supposition?
I ask because NY DEC first started talking about closing the MUA back in the 90's. There was also talk of Gardiner and local home owners suing DEC to close the MUA because of noise and trash complaints. That was circa 2005.
Marc801
From Sandy, Utah
Joined Feb 25, 2014
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Mar 24, 2016
Marc801 wrote:
Do you know this for certain or is it supposition? I ask because NY DEC first started talking about closing the MUA back in the 90's. There was also talk of Gardiner and local home owners suing DEC to close the MUA because of noise and trash complaints. That was circa 2005.


I do not know for fact... I know they have wanted to close the MUA for years, agreed on that but the new campground was obviously the impetus for the closings. Point being they have wanted to close it since the 90s and didnt/couldnt... but now they are because there a pay for campground that is maintained by other parties...
Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
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