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Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Anyone know what the conditions around Gannett Peak/The Wind River Range is like in April? Anyone climb Gannett Peak in April before? I've been going over the east and west standard route anyone know which is better in April?

Thanks

Caleb Mallory · · AMGA Certified Rock Guide; PNW · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 425

I've only done the gooseneck glacier route, and it was in July in white out conditions. I've heard talk that the south east route is much more manageable earlier in the season.

Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Is that the southeast couloir route?

Caleb Mallory · · AMGA Certified Rock Guide; PNW · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 425

Yes it is. There is a snow bridge to cross that was still in good shape in July.

Danny F · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0

The trailhead will probably be inaccessible by car in April. You will be skiing or snowshoeing at least the 14 or so miles to Island Lake/Titcomb area (base camp for Gannet) and probably more, depending on where you have to park. Sometimes you can't even drive up to the trailhead until mid- to late- May, or sometimes even later. And even if you can drive to the trailhead, it's a long, snowy approach until something like early June or even later. It would be a sweet trip and a good way to avoid the crowds, but I wouldn't even consider the possibility that there won't be a ton of snow. It'll also likely be very cold. Not to discourage you, just being realistic (source: I work seasonally in Pinedale).

DavisMeschke Guillotine · · Pinedale, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 225

Gannett is accessible year round with the right amount of motivation. I'll be there in February. Like Daniel said, in April the entire approach will be a skin in, or a hell-slog if you use snowshoes. The bergshrund will be covered and so will the crevasses (most of them are so small I wouldn't worry about falling in...). The weather could be nice or you could get caught in a multi-day storm. Just realize that you are pretty isolated in that part of the range and you should plan accordingly. Pretty amazing pre-thaw, enjoy yourself.

Tom Nyce · · Flagstaff, AZ · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 45

I'm not sure how much has changed as far as access. For mid-winter access in the early 80's, we used to take a single ride up the ski lift, and traverse over to the main trail that comes in from Elkhart Park.
I'm not sure how late in the year the lifts run though.
Be prepared for some adventure. April can have some serious "winter-type" weather. Not the -40F that happens in "real" winter though.

Brian in SLC · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Oct 2003 · Points: 21,711

Had friends do Gannett in winter. Very rough trip. Way harder than their climb of Denali. They got separated on the way back to camp in a ground blizzard...just about didn't make it.

A good read on the range is Sky's Witness by Chip Rawlins. Besides just being a good read, the author travels the range in all seasons and it gives a good idear of off season in the Windys. Great read, IMHO.

You'd want to have your avy assessment skills pretty dialed too (and/or know someone local who has an idea of the season and conditions).

Helluva long way from the cavalry...

Good luck!

Doug Colwell · · Boise, ID · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 5

Chip's books are well written stories about the winds and environmental impacts of coal. I often read passages to remind me of my 32 day solo trip (with my dog) through the wind in dead of winter..

Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Anyone know where in Wyoming that I could rent some cross country Skis and a 4 season tent as I assume in April I'd still need one, The only tents I have is a REI Half dome 2 and a MountainSmith Mountain Shelter LT, not sure if they would hold up to the Wind River Range that time of year. I have all the climbing gear and Snow shoes, though it sounds like Snowshoeing it would take a lot longer.

Thanks

DavisMeschke Guillotine · · Pinedale, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 225

The Great Outdoor Shop in Pinedale will rent you X Country skis but no 4 season tents. If there was an established akin track then XC would be the way to go. But if a storm moves in and covers the tracks then you might as well be snowshoeing... The hoarfrost that time of year is hellish. If you stop in the shop we can give you an update on conditions or you can call and ask ahead of time. Cheers

Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

DavisMeschke, I'll stop by there on the way over to the range and find out the conditions, etc. Not sure if I'll be XC or Snowshoeing it in yet. And thanks everyone for the helpful info!!

Warbonnet · · Utah, India and Cambodia · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 630

Gitrenic, HOLD ON, more comments & advice coming tomorrow; factual corrections and reality checks vs. some of the previous comments.

Don't leave home without them.

In the meantime, note Brian's comment; knows what he's talking about.

Brian in SLC wrote:Had friends do Gannett in winter. Very rough trip. Way harder than their climb of Denali.
Warbonnet · · Utah, India and Cambodia · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 630

No apologies for length; winter Gannett is a serious undertaking. Lots of other opinions & experience than mine -- I've only done 3 winter ascents (1 major; north face) by different routes; am sure others have more under their harnesses. Consider all opinions & make your own decisions.
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Gitrinec wrote:Anyone know what the conditions around Gannett Peak/The Wind River Range is like in April? Anyone climb Gannett Peak in April before? I've been going over the east and west standard route anyone know which is better in April? Thanks
With respect for your ambition, I do not recommend you do this trip unless you have the expertise, stamina, equipment (more than you might think), winter conditions mountaineering experience, and luck. As anyone knows who have spent decades in this range in all seasons, winter never leaves, even in the dead of summer. There may be a better choice…read at bottom after comments.

Brian in SLC wrote:Had friends do Gannett in winter. Very rough trip. Way harder than their climb of Denali. They got separated on the way back to camp in a ground blizzard...just about didn't make it.
Listen up; Brian knows what he is talking/warning about.

Have climbed Gannett in winter three times by three different routes & countless summer ascents. Worst route: Green River lakes to obscene Wells Creek, cat-o-nine tail oneself up the endless bad boy boulder chute, hallucinate across lower Mammoth Glacier, pretend to love the humps to Minor Glacier & eventually to North Face (rare summers have short sections WI2; leave the tools). Winter: dodge guaranteed avi in couloir w/nearly-spent kharma (& avi knowledge). Descent & return worse than climb. Have never met anyone else seriously stupid enough to do this route in winter.

No boasting points, but higher ranking in "WTF" scale. Must hate oneself a lot to do this route, but damn worth it.

Famous quote: “You do not need to be having fun to have fun”.

Second, third winter ascents (early Feb & late March) were variations of standard route but one was probably FA – not sure….we couldn’t see anything in two-day, late March whiteout.

Legendary Doug Scott: “If you want to climb something badly enough, you will do it, so why bother”?

Regardless of winter Gannett route, you will need to consider logistics of even getting to Elkhart trailhead if road not plowed; several in forum point this out. Hire snowmobiler; will take you to trailhead.

From Elkhart, shitty, winding, traversing small humps thru boulders, repeat. DO NOT CAMP IN TITCOMB; will reduce chances of summiting safely RT from there, esp counting on being dark. Hump up (snowshoes likely) crappy boulders (snow even worse) to Bonny pass. Find small, climber placebo camps - very exposed to wind but if it shows up, will be memorable and great experience. Seriously fun; spend night there.

Alpine start, not too steep, glissade Dinwoody to beginning of crevasse fields; pick way thru, long, easy flat glacier/snow travel, to smaller crevasse field, easily navigated, however, climate change gifted us with new, very serious yawners, just waiting to be fed near climber’s left rock buttresses. Wand heavily; see below. These have only appeared in last 8-10 years and they are freakin’ big (wide and black-deep). Think Rainier.

Avoid, & take care getting off snow/ice onto rock buttresses…maybe crampons off before you jump; will be severely undercut in April. Hug but stay 100 yards to climbers’ right or may one-way visit to serious crevasses (only a few but few too many). Head for larger Gannett shoulder buttresses; from there, depending on conditions & experience, many routes. Climb or skirt to Gooseneck Glacier.

One solid rappel station may be found south and below of the Gooseneck. Probably will not find unless crazies have gone before/after you (but few climb Gannet in winter) but if have summited Gannett & no injuries, you are good enough to find your way down to rock buttresses, move south across Dinwoody Glacier & Bonny. Fast way down Gooseneck glacier/snowfield is piolet glissade, BUT have seen bergshrund start to open in April.

And then this:

DavisMeschke wrote:Gannett is accessible year round with the right amount of motivation. In April the entire approach will be a skin in, or a hell-slog if you use snowshoes. The bergshrund will be covered and so will the crevasses (most of them are so small I wouldn't worry about falling in). The weather could be nice or you could get caught in a multi-day storm. Just realize that you are pretty isolated in that part of the range...
Strongly disagree w/most of comment, esp. in winter. “Motivation” has nothing to do with first paragraph list of requirements. That aside, will need all: skis, snowshoes, 4-season tent preferable, avi probe (overkill), avi wands, hybrid pilot, harness, crampons, (but not full-on ice climbing boots), helmet, dry rope(s) (like Mammut 8.7 mm) – depending on # in party --, a few pieces of rock, snow (1 deadman), & maybe 2-3 ice screws (19-22 cm) – not much pro but some; plenty of long slings.

Davis, if you don't worry about falling into a crevasse, how do you feel about getting out of one?

Two packs: one for heavy load, light for summit push but large enough to take adequate gear. Might take snow shovel which you won’t use. Whole trip could be a broiler; plan for everything.

Gitrinec: You have no choice of just taking snowshoes vs. skis; you will need both. And skins. Conditions highly likely to change and terrain differs. Snowshoes are a total drag until you need them. If deep snow, you will hate skis; floating on top better.

Gitrinec: How many people in your party and how much time are you planning on? If the forum knows that, some commenters may be able to help with additional advice.

Highly recommend buying 15-20 bamboo wands from REI. Remove useless plastic tape from wands; replace with industrial grade, HIGHLY REFLECTIVE …can see 300 yrds away…road construction alternating red/white stiff tape; buy at road construction biz. Wrap wand, stick together side-to-side, will make stiff flag….stands out, no droop; smart to number them.

To Gannett: wand Bonny, beginning/end of chosen route through what may just look like 2’ft deep “depressions”; 3 wands thru the area, wand before crossing Dinwoody glacier. 10 wands up buttresses to and along ridge. Half way on ridge to summit, if forced to negotiate stegosaurus rock ridge, do not look down 5.12b west face, 10-pitch drop unless wearing 3 layers of Depends. In summer, a spot or two of hugging rocks to get around them provide more rush than many expect. In winter, usually enough snow to avoid stegosaurus above.

“Entire approach” (quote above) means Elkhart to Gannet summit; little respite, esp. in winter. Titcomb, 1,200 ft’ up tough slog to Bonny Pass, then 1,200 elev LOSS to Dinwoody Glacier, then UP again to buttress(s) to Gannet (many ways up from there if experienced). Crevasses snow covered? I guess I don't believe in entirely safe, snow-covered crevasses; very small OK but I like my avi probe. Either way, must navigate at least 2 smallish fields at bottom of Bonny & climate change has opened up yawners. Davis Meschke (see above) says: “Don’t worry about falling in”? Huh? But OK (?) if only fall in three feet, wedged or broken something from being on snowshoes or skis?

If punch thru even post-holing (THAT is definition of “slog”) on flat snow, forward fall not good on lower leg; can snap…have seen & heard it. Crevasses are crevasses for hell’s sake; avi probe probably overkill but helps delusion of safety as does 2mg ER Xanax. If you even did this route, then did it in summer & only way thru crevasse fields is thru them or skirt far climber’s left (avi probe to be safe side), but add at least an hour. No skis; snowshoe time. Do not try to ski thru crevasse fields even if look covered.

Almost certain return in dark; navigating these crevasses, admittedly “small”, only 2 ft- to 50’ deep and can be wider than they seem....like all crevasses....is scary at night and certain to increase time & effort to climb 1,200 ft UP (again) to Bonny. If ground blizzard (see Brian above), frightened to death, only to fear that you WON’T die.

This is the real story on how to get to Gannet via Elkhart; if road not plowed, then must do what Doug Colwell did:

Doug Colwell wrote: “…. my 32 day solo trip (with dog) through the wind in dead of winter..
And that might have been just to get from Pinedale to Elkhart trailhead!

Terrain RT: If only snowshoes, will hate life, too slow but need them in other places, so must take anyway; recommend “floater tail” MSRs. If only skis, then will hate life cuz, regardless of what anyone in string says, there ARE crevasses. Period. (Have I mentioned crevasses?) May be snow covered but evil may lurk. Google “Dinwoody Glacier images” & check out many summer pics of route off Bonny & thru the maze; does not look bad but “bad” is relative. Keep thinking: “certain to return in dark”; THAT is the main problem with them.

Likely scenario in April: combo snow shoe, skis, then hike on bare ground 200 yards. Put on skis and/or snowshoes. Take off ¼ mile later then post-hole thigh deep where pseudo trail reminds one of drugs taken when younger. Entire way to Titcomb... and beyond...combo of snowshoes, skis, walking on ground but post-holing guaranteed. Recommend elephant.

Gitrinec wrote:Anyone know where in Wyoming that I could rent some cross country Skis
Gitrinec: truly appreciate your ooompf to try winter Gannett, however, I doubt most, probably even you, should be wary of renting anything, esp. boots. You did not say you wanted to rent boots, however, if you have them, then need to match bindings at Pinedale Outdoor Shop. Can call to check, however, don’t let that chancy stuff be the crux of whatever trip you decide to do. ONE pair of boots has to do everything: skis, snowshoes (not all boots fit snowshoes), hiking, post-holing (think blisters and early hip replacements), crampons (MAKE SURE the boots you take have stiff enough sole for crampons; no need for step-ins…are alternatives) and rock climbing to some degree, easy unless iced.

DAVIS: Hoarfrost is NOT seasonal; it is weather dependent.

Dinwoody area worth pain just to get there. Reconnoiter, think about camping there, if Gannett a no-go, climb south ridge to Fremont Peak; great trip, safe-ish, great views, will feel on top of the world.

Weather: Expect the full Monty at any time, impossible to predict, if not blizzard boil up, then literally out of the blue wind howler even if no Mare’s tails seen, sure sign of a storm. Wind River range named for a reason.

Gannett is the 9th most remote peak in lower 48. Heed Brian’s own and friends’ advice: very serious mountain in winter and the cavalry far away. Winds’ “winter” being any time of year, even in April? Re-read some of the posts in this forum. Almost guaranteed dose of it somewhere along the route, but part of the addicting adventure...just take the body hit and enjoy it....better than rotting away at day job.

If perfect snow & weather conditions, experienced mountaineer, great physical shape then can do RT in 2 days, otherwise plan fat week to account for surprises & maybe less experience in serious mountains.

Gitrinec: you may consider Squaretop instead of Gannett; challenging in winter, good climb, safer, fast exit if necessary. If you want detailed beta, contact me thru MP and/or read route description.

Crevasse summer photo (not mine). How much snow would it take to cover this & make it very safe? westga.edu/~jmayer/backpage…
DavisMeschke Guillotine · · Pinedale, WY · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 225

Man those crevasses musta gotten bigger since I saw it a couple months ago! Harder than Denali?? Might as well save that money and stay here in Pinedale!

To the OP: go for it. A lot of people here will tell you it's too dangerous but you never know until you try.

Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Thanks Warbonnet for all of the extra info, Ya post-holing sucks, I did that a bunch this past April in Colorado, all the way up to the crotch, lol. Not pleasant at all. I think I have pretty much everything, I need to pick up the wands, though I still need the 4 season tent and Skis. No I wouldn't rent boots, I've got some Koflach Arctis Expe and La Sportivia Nepal Evo GTX boots. There are 2 of us and I've got 6 days. I've been checking out a lot of photos from around Gannett and Google Earth has been helpful with trip planning as well as maps, guide books, etc.. Too bad the Avy website from up there doesn't cover the range jhavalanche.org/index.php

Warbonnet · · Utah, India and Cambodia · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 630
DavisMeschke wrote:Man those crevasses musta gotten bigger since I saw it a couple months ago! Harder than Denali?? Might as well save that money and stay here in Pinedale! To the OP: go for it. A lot of people here will tell you it's too dangerous but you never know until you try.
No one in the forum said it was, your word, "dangerous". No one said Gannett is, your words, "Harder than Denali". But you did say that people should "go for it"....to find out for themselves if it's "dangerous". Decisions, decisions, especially the circular reasoning ones.

I suspect you haven't spent a lot of time in that area, certainly not enough to opine on what is, and what is not there, but you should get back up there, and everywhere in the Winds -- take advantage of living in Pinedale, at the foot of one of the most beautiful ranges in the world...and it need not be dangerous.

It is also a great, but sad opportunity to study the firn lines, esp in the lower Dinwoody -- lots of scientists are, even the Space Station -- check them out, compare in photos; have moved faster and further than in many other ranges in the west and that is very bad news, but you can use them to get a feel for the terrain beneath the glaciers....bonus in navigating.

When you go back in summer, just in case you are unfamiliar with the three giant sucker holes in the lower crevasse field, west margin (if you don't know there are two fields, you do now), suggest you skirt far to climber's left the lower crevasse field ...lower one difficult to see unless one knows how to look for it. I'll post some photos...gnarly.

When you go back in winter, you might notice that they moved - physically - to the east margin....no one has figured out exactly why....but nonetheless, they are just as big and just as hungry in the winter as in summer.

Also interested to hear about your Denali climb. Some in the forum have done it; which route did you do?
Warbonnet · · Utah, India and Cambodia · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 630
Gitrinec wrote:Thanks Warbonnet for all of the extra info, Ya post-holing sucks, I did that a bunch this past April in Colorado, all the way up to the crotch, lol. Not pleasant at all. I think I have pretty much everything, I need to pick up the wands, though I still need the 4 season tent and Skis. No I wouldn't rent boots, I've got some Koflach Arctis Expe and La Sportivia Nepal Evo GTX boots. There are 2 of us and I've got 6 days. I've been checking out a lot of photos from around Gannett and Google Earth has been helpful with trip planning as well as maps, guide books, etc.. Too bad the Avy website from up there doesn't cover the range jhavalanche.org/index.php
Gitrinec, sounds like you are getting it dialed. Re: boot choice, I'd take the Evo GTXs; better all around boot for various things you'll be doing: snow, rock, ice; Koflachs are great, warm - my first pair are retired on my imaginary mantle: they took me to many places but, IMO, they are too big and heavy.
Others in the forum will have their opinion and I'd like to hear their choice given the Gannett terrain, esp. in and above Gooseneck area, upper ridge where mixed terrain likely encountered. Part of decision is what kind of vehicle(s) are you using (skis, snowshoes, both? That's my recommendation).

Gitrinec, this is a general comment to the forum: I should clarify my comments re: crevasse fields. No, this is not Rainier nor Canadian league, notwithstanding there are crevasses in the Winds that are in the same ballpark, but not on the main Dinwoody, but huge ones, world class, in the direction of the arm that goes towards Glacier Pass (from which if standing there FYI, only via Green River Lakes, not Gannett route, you literally are looking into them far below - deadly beautiful but the point is there are bad crevasses on every glacier in the Winds.

Gannett route does not go near there, so no worries. That said, they don't need to be Joe Simpson deep to be a problem. Conditions may well be such that they are hard to detect (snow covered, smooth terrain looking) but that is the very problem. Stepping into a 3-4 ft deep, 16" wide crack with a heavy pack means you don't fall in -- you lurch forward and break a leg (heard & seen it), or blow a knee out when it hits the lip of the other side. Even a bad sprain there can be serious trouble. These are known hazard areas & not worth a cavalier notion. Sucker holes are the real danger on Dinwoody but if you stay on the main, "makes sense" route, you won't get in that area....unless unwanded, white-out, ground blizzard. Will post pics in next post in a few days.

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The "approach" is not just that, it also "de-proach", meaning, the elevation gain and loss and gain and loss and gain and loss shouldn't be underestimated - not that you are doing that. From Titcomb, you have to climb (steep, snow covered, not technical but a drag) 1,200 feet up to Bonney Pass. From there, you then drop 1,200 - 1,400 ft (min) back DOWN -- major elevation loss -- to get on the Dinwoody.

Navigate Dinwoody w/o getting swallowed or sprain an ankle, and once across the glacier, then you have to climb back up to gain the ridge to the summit. But that isn't the hard part; it's the return, i.e., repeat the elevation loss, gain, loss, gain cycle to get back to Bonney pass and the return is where many people really start to crash out because it's just so damn difficult by then.

It's also POTENTIALLY....I'll cave and use the word -- dangerous because what I just described does not account for weather changes (can be science fiction unbelievable how fast that can happen, esp. on Dinwoody), dead tired, thirsty, hungry, etc....you know the drill. But if dusk or dark (you have to plan for that), you will find yourself in crevasse country (the upper one) and if you move too far to climber's right, there are a few areas where you could walk right off dead vertical, sharp edge snow cliffs, certain death; will post photos. I know others in the forum have photos of this stuff.

This is why wanding, more of an art form both in constructing them and placing, is so important on this route. I'm working on a post re: wands so won't go into it here. In the meantime, don't waste time trying to find them; you won't find the best -- best to make your own.

I expect to get hammered in the forum re: this subject, but that's OK.

Last recommendation in general planning (which you are doing now): I would not camp in Titcomb....that adds RT yet another elevation gain/loss but also more mileage; at the end of the day, which will actually be night, the last place I want to get to is Titcomb even though it's downhill....it's just too long RT and a weather event can make you wish you were dead, or worse: afraid you won't die.

Recommend you camp at Bonney Pass, next day start the big push; I'll put my two cents into the reasons and will count on other experienced MP-ers to weigh in with their suggestions; everyone does winter Gannett differently, depending on a variety of factors.

The best route, one I've done and others in this forum have, depending on how much time you have and weather conditions - if 6 days, than perfect: (roughly) first day to Titcomb, camp. Next day hump over Bonney, across Dinwoody, camp in the general area -- general -- of Gooseneck glacier (but obviously not below the chute). Third day is summit, down & break camp and back to Bonney, camp there. Next day out but you have extra days to play with, which might be sitting in a rip roaring tent.

Alpine starts sound great, however, if not planned carefully, you can find yourself in objective hazard territory, trying to navigate when dark and no wands to follow cuz they aren't there.....yet. Wanding is more about safety and speed in guiding the return and marking objective hazards.

As a pre-sanding warmup, check this site out: I agree with almost everything they say, including use of the word "art" but disagree entirely with their construction material. Reading their brief comments gives you an idea why best to construct them yourself...they do, they tell you why and you'll get the drift.

Last sentence of the first paragraph says it all: straightchuter.com/expediti…

Keep looking for a four season tent - important. Avoid tiny ones; in winter, you'll want/need to keep a lot of gear inside the tent, esp. if/when the weather gets super nasty. If you get desperate, I might be willing to lend you one of mine as long as when returned, there is a bit of blood on/in it, then we'll know you had a great time.

Why am I getting so involved with this forum and willing to help when if I can? Because 27 yrs ago, a best friend traveling with two buddies (I was not on the trip) on Knife Point glacier, not far from Titcomb (thru Indian Pass) found themselves in a ground blizzard that turned into a total white out (as per posts in this forum). Couldn't see a thing nor hear each other; didn't wand the route and he walked into a dark black deep crevasse -- and he's still there.

So my interest in this is personal.

I don't pretend to have all the answers; the sum of everyone's input is where the answers/recommendations are. I know some of the guys in this forum and they know what they are doing and worth listening to.
Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Joe Simpson Deep, ya He's lucky he wasn't wounded any worse after falling through, though that leg had to hurt insanely. I picked up the pack of 25 4 foot bamboo wands last night, also I understand the idea behind the Bright Orange tape as having hunted during the winter up in Michigan you can see that Orange from quite a ways away especially when everything is white, I had actually read that website already, lots of good info out there and images of the area thankfully. I found some info on some AT bindings that allow you to use your mountaineering boots with Skis but they are hard to find, lol. Warbonnet, I'll take all the beta I can get, so I appreciate the information, sorry to hear about your friend. Probably the only difference in routes depending on conditions would be possibly up the SE coulir instead of the complete standard route. I'm waiting to see what kind of sales go on closer to March for the 4 season tent.

Brian in SLC · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Oct 2003 · Points: 21,711
Gitrinec wrote:I picked up the pack of 25 4 foot bamboo wands last night, also I understand the idea behind the Bright Orange tape as having hunted during the winter up in Michigan you can see that Orange from quite a ways away especially when everything is white
I've found I prefer black to mark my wands. A bit anal, but, I use black/yellow caution tape as well as a long length of black garbage bag. In the white room, easier to see black I think especially if its fluttering in the breeze. I have a hard time picking up orange in a white out.

YMMV.

Cheers!
Gary Stoker · · Fort Belvoir, VA · Joined Dec 2015 · Points: 215

Sounds like a good experiment, I'll do a bit of both on the wands and see which ones I see the best.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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