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YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V ZA: 12 British: S 4b

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Submitted By: Mike Sofranko on Sep 24, 2001

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    This is the standard east face route to the summit of the 2nd Flatiron.

    Begin as for Freeway. When the Pullman Car is obvious above and to your left, drop down left into the gully. Climb the water polished gully via stair step holds for a bit, then head left to the obvious tree below the Pullman Car.

    From the tree, head up a brief chimney-like crack to a steep face. This face is the first crux of the route, and is passed via a couple moves of 5.6. After this obstacle, you will be directly below the overhanging east face of the Pullman Car. The obvious crack above you is apparently 10+. Avoid these difficulties by heading left around the bottom of the car and work into the big gully. About 40 feet up the gully there is an obvious crack line through the south face fo the Pullman Car. This is the second crux of the route, and is also 5.6. Climb this, then head up the slab to the summit.

    For the descent, carefully downclimb the exposed 5.0+ West Face. This can be tricky to onsight on the way down. Consider sending the less experienced climber down first on TR, placing pro to protect the second climber.


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    Rock Climbing Photo: Near the top of P1 of Free for All. Check out the ...
    Near the top of P1 of Free for All. Check out the ...
    Rock Climbing Photo: Tyson Arp trying to find his way onto the East Fac...
    Tyson Arp trying to find his way onto the East Fac...
    Rock Climbing Photo: Mark high on the Pullman Car.
    Mark high on the Pullman Car.
    Rock Climbing Photo: This is a closeup of the crack on the south side o...
    BETA PHOTO: This is a closeup of the crack on the south side o...
    Rock Climbing Photo: This is the base of the .10ish crack on the east f...
    BETA PHOTO: This is the base of the .10ish crack on the east f...
    Rock Climbing Photo: Right at the crux.
    Right at the crux.

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    By Ryan Olson
    Sep 19, 2003

    My friend and I climbed the route today and when we got to the top we were a bit confused. The downclimb is not 4th class or 5.0 and after spending over a half an hour on the summit we decided to just put a sling around a boulder and rap down. If you do not normally solo then this down climb is definitely not for you as it is quite scary.
    By Warren Teissier
    Sep 20, 2003

    Ryan, I agree, the downclimb is indeed scary, hard to sort out the first time and WAY exposed

    An alternative to rappelling is to "downlead" the route the "weaker" climber goes first belayed from above and places gear frequently as he down climbs

    Then, once on the ground, the "weaker" climber belays the person at the top. That person then downclimbs and cleans the pieces... That's how I did it my first time up there

    Cheers, WT
    By Andy Leach
    From: Denver, CO
    Nov 14, 2005
    rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b

    It took us 7 pitches to make it from near the base of the East Face to the top of the Pullman Car. I shot a short movie of our climb on November 11, 2005 - you can find on my web site:
    By Wes B.
    Mar 6, 2010
    rating: 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b

    Did this route today. It was a little wet, but we were able to avoid most of the water/ice. We climbed the route in a total of 7 pitches. There were only 2 or 3 moves of 5.6 in my opinion. Why aren't there fixed anchors on top? Seems like most of the other main formations have them.
    By Jason Maki
    Mar 19, 2012

    Did the route today and there are slings and rap rings on the summit. They are a little sketchy (old), but we rappelled from them just fine.
    By mark felber
    From: Wheat Ridge, CO
    Sep 3, 2014

    The downclimb from this rock was distinctly more exciting than the climb.
    By Long Ranger
    From: Boulder, Colorado
    Jan 30, 2015

    It's a funky route, as you start on Freeway (which itself starts a little lacking on holds, polished, and grubby), then eases off in steepness. If you stay as left as possible on the rib, it's easy to, uh, "Exit" into area between the Freeway route and the South Block, making the ascending traverse towards the trees and above the chimney-ish part seem a little more natural.

    Once you go around the Pullman Car, it seems that you should try to keep on the south side of this block, but it's much easy to just drop into the gully, and simply walk to where you can then again climb up. If you do decide to stay on the block, it's much like the downclimb of the First, but a bit more difficult. You may have to climb around a few places, gaining and losing your position. You're never too far above the gully below, but if you're roped up, a fall would most likely have you swinging - or take a groundfall. It's an easy place to get to, as pro can be placed high - higher than the climbing you're doing. Maybe good advice to just walk it to that crack if you're roping up!
    By Davidholland
    Aug 25, 2016

    A friend and I solo'd this route, and I agree with most of the comments posted. It's easy to traverse over to Freeway, but the downclimb off the side proved tricky. About 4/5 the way up there's a small ledge with about a V2 downclimb; look for it if you're considering solo'ing it, as it's the best way to get back onto the path (that we discovered). Only about one move that brought any hesitation, and it was near the relative bottom. Great line overall.
    By Long Ranger
    From: Boulder, Colorado
    Mar 16, 2017

    If you start on Freeway, you can exit that right to the left simply by walking off and to the left - there is no V2 boulder problem that must be negotiated:

    While on Freeway, just stay on the highest, left most rib, and find the correct place to exit off of it into a shallow gully. This will be very much before the jump on Freeway, but will be the same, leftmost rib that the jump apexes at. Once in the shallow gully, traverse left up to very red rib that sits lower than the rib you exited off of, and take that most of the way to where the large tree grows below the chimney. Nothing should be harder than the first pitch of Freeway, but there may be some dirtier sections, where you cross rock with pine needles and other accumulations.

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