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YDS: 5.12a French: 7a+ Ewbanks: 25 UIAA: VIII+ ZA: 25 British: E5 6a

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch
Original:  YDS: 5.11d French: 7a Ewbanks: 24 UIAA: VIII ZA: 25 British: E5 6a [details]
FA: Jeff Rhoads (not Kurt Smith)
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Submitted By: Richard M. Wright on Nov 20, 2001

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BETA PHOTO: Resting on a jug just above the crux section.


Firearms shares its first clip with Primer, but that is just about all they share. Climbing begins at the shared bolt 40 feet right of the overhang. Power up immediately on steep moves for three clips. My notes indicate that climbing eases back to pretty much a jug haul on vertical terrain. However, the climb offers little good rest and kicks up a good flash pump with very continuous 5.11 climbing. It is definitely a worthy addition.


Ten draws and a rope.

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By joe finney
Nov 29, 2001

This route is also chipped. At about the third bolt, those perfect incut finger length crimps for each hand are not natural. Just thought I would let you know.
By Richard M. Wright
From: Lakewood, CO
Nov 30, 2001

While it has been a while since I have been on this route, I don't recall, and my notes don't indicate, any chipping. It was very likely that I overlooked this at the time. Before we bump Firearms over to the Black List, can we get someone else to confirm? (Matt?)
By Bill Morris
Dec 1, 2001

come on Joe,,just because you have never sent the route doesn't mean you can say its chipped. there is no way this route is chipped, no way.
By Stan Z
From: Centennial, CO
Sep 14, 2011
rating: 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a

I am not sure which is described, but it doesn't seem to be Firearms.
Should be the route to the left of Primer. Doesn't share the 1st bolt with it. 2 cruxes. One right off the ground and the other around bolts 5 and 6. With easier but interesting climbing in between. Also, didn't see any holds that looked chipped.
By Michael Schneiter
From: Glenwood Springs, CO
Sep 22, 2011

This is Firearms described. The confusion may be in part because Firearms and Primer used to have a shared first bolt, but now they have separate first bolts.
By Jeff Rhoads
Apr 23, 2014

Dear folks,

I just became a member and noticed that "Fire Arms" was given to Kurt Smith as a FA. That is not the case. It is a route that I put up a long with a few others back in '99, really can't remember the exact date, when we the Idaho Spuds/Choss family came for a stay to build routes. I did have a tin can label with the name on it which I'm sure in gone by now.

No holds were chipped as some one thought, and I redpointed it at a time when Tony Yaniro wanted to warm up on it afterward. So hope you enjoy it and please get back to me if you have any other questions. Ask Kurt if he said he put it up, not so.

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