REI Community
Nomad's Cave
Routes Sorted
L to R R to L Alpha
Ali Nomad S 
Cave Troll S 
Compassion Fatigue S 
Express Yourself S 
Freaks and Geeks S 
Hard Day Mining S 
Off the Books 
Pizza Dick aka Mother Nature S 
Predator S 
Predator X S 
Roid, The S 
Unknown at Nomad aka Tommy's Hard Route S 

Express Yourself 

YDS: 5.13a/b French: 8a Ewbanks: 29 UIAA: IX+ ZA: 29 British: E7 6c

Type:  Sport, Chipped, 1 pitch
Original:  YDS: 5.13c French: 8a+ Ewbanks: 30 UIAA: X- ZA: 31 British: E7 7a [details]
FA: Pete Zoller
Page Views: 1,597
Submitted By: Peter Beal on Jan 1, 2001

You & This Route  |  Other Opinions (10)
Your todo list:
Your stars:
Your rating: -none- [change]
Your ticklist: [add new tick]
Your opinion of this PAGE:    [1 person likes this page.]
Andrew Yake (left) on Express Yourself (5.13a), Be...

Seasonal Raptor Closures MORE INFO >>>


This is the leftmost chipped route in the cave. A hard boulder problem leads to straightforward pockets and a final crux. This is not be confused with "Hard Day Mining" which is another set of pockets that join it from the right.


4 bolts.

Comments on Express Yourself Add Comment
Show which comments
By andrew yake
May 19, 2003

Real fun route be sure to get your feet way right when you are going to the pocket at the top.
By Anonymous Coward
Jul 10, 2005

The Jug at the 3rd bolt is gone. It is now a slopey crimp and the crux is way harder.

Does anyone have any idea about how hard it is now???

I think it is possible a dry tooler broke the hold but I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
By Tom C
Mar 1, 2006

13c? I recommend preclipping the first two hanging chain-draws beta for the crux (follow each of these descriptions with a question mark as it is a work in progress), get the jug campus to the chipped left pocket, right foot on the jug, right hand toss to a crimp rail (slightly incut), match, both feet on jug, right hand to the crimp where the broken hold used to be, left hand to sidepull pinch, right foot on crimp rail, left foot drop knee against the west dihedral wall, left hand chipped pocket (crux), small dyno big reach to right hand chipped jug (clip), right foot to edge, right hand to undercling, match feet, right foot to jug far out right, left hand to pocket (redpoint crux), right hand chipped pocket by anchors, (clip). After doing Sonic Youth I got on this route, worked the moves and felt much harder than Sonic Youth (13a consensus). Feels like V8.
By Peter Beal
From: Boulder Colorado
May 6, 2008

I upgraded the route description to reflect the broken start. Maybe the drytooling fad can start breaking up Predator's drilled pockets and making a more "natural" route. (see comments on that route)
By Scott Hahn
Aug 15, 2008
rating: 5.13a 7c+ 29 IX+ 29 E6 6c

My two cents - This route is no where near 13c unless even more stuff has been ripped off since its most recent break. It was basically ridiculously soft 13a before - probably more like 12c. Then it broke which probably brought it up to 13a. At most it might be 13a/b - but by no means solid b let alone c. I also don't think it is fair to compare it to Sonic Youth which is a completely different climb with its crux almost right at the anchors so there is a definite pump factor involved.
By Peter Beal
From: Boulder Colorado
Aug 16, 2008

Scott, thanks for the input. Let's see some more opinions before the final verdict. Sonic has long been considered 12d by many, even with the added finish. I felt that Express Yourself was solid 13a before.
By Luke Childers
Jun 25, 2009
rating: 5.13b/c 8a+ 29 X- 30 E7 6c

Yea when I did this back in 2001 I sent on my 1st red point attempt. I had never don that at the 5.13c grade before... not 13c. I could buy 13a or 13b maybe but I just don't see it. I usually have to work for my 13 sends and this thing was like licking cake. Nice drilled route... right....

Luke Childers
By Peter Beal
From: Boulder Colorado
Jun 26, 2009

Luke, it broke after 2001. Try it now and let me know.
By Luke Childers
Aug 13, 2009
rating: 5.13b/c 8a+ 29 X- 30 E7 6c

Hey Peter,
I may be over at the cave to try "Freaks and Geeks" and may give this one another look since a hold broke. Which hold broke? Is it the 1st starting crimp or what? I just remember that one crimp and then the rest of the line consisted of pockets I thought. Have not been on it since 2001 so my memory of the features and moves are troublesome.
By Luke Childers
Aug 13, 2009
rating: 5.13b/c 8a+ 29 X- 30 E7 6c

I found where a hold broke on this line. I could still see the outline of where the older much larger hold once existed. Although the climbing sequence is the same you just have a smaller/crimp/sloper hold for your right hand on the opening sequence of the climb. So, I can buy the difficulty up grade and did feel that the line was a bit harder, but only by one move. I think 13b/c is an ok ball park figure now.

Mountain Project

The Definitive Climbing Resource

MTB Project

Next Generation MTB Trail Maps

Powder Project

Backcountry Ski Maps & Secret Stashes
FREE Stickers · Gyms · RSS · School of Rock · Contact · About