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Elbows of Mac and Ronnie 

YDS: 5.11a/b French: 6c Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E3 5c

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch, 60'
Original:  YDS: 5.11a French: 6c Ewbanks: 22 UIAA: VII+ ZA: 22 British: E3 5c [details]
FA: Todd Swain ('92)
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Submitted By: Matt McMurray on Apr 11, 2007

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Small crimps following the left-facing sidepull at the second bolt make-up the crux. The upper climbing eases substantially.


Begin at the right-leaning flake/ramp in front of the leftmost of two similarly sized scrub oak bushes. This route is about 10 feet left of What's Eating You, and climbs the face.


4 bolts to a chain anchor.

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By Matt McMurray
From: Castle Rock, CO
Apr 11, 2007

I'm not sure is some holds have chipped off since Brock's book rated this 5.11a, but the holds following the obvious sidepull felt hard for 11a.
By John Wilder
From: Las Vegas, NV
May 20, 2010
rating: 5.11a/b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

On 5/19/10, the ASCA replaced the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bolts on this route. All bolts are 1/2" x 3.5" 5-piece and the anchor hangers were replaced and mussy hooks were added.
By MN norske
From: Henderson
Oct 22, 2013
rating: 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

Felt harder than 5.11 through crux. Fun and solid route. Last bolt to anchors is run out making for good whipper.
By Tony B
From: Around Boulder, CO
May 29, 2015
rating: 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a

Bad crux hold and not an obvious hold to go to from there... felt more like 11c, at least. Would be way harder for short folks.
By Derrick
From: Bozeman
Nov 29, 2015

Was hard for me, thin and vert, but fun, maybe a bit stout at 11a (Handren guide) but would be soft as an 11b, slash grade here feels appropriate. I'm 5'9" and would've been significantly harder were I any shorter.
By Soulless Ginger
From: San bernardino
Feb 15, 2016

I will have to respectfully disagree with above comments. i did nearly all the 5.11's on this rock, thought this one was the substantially easier than the rest. but grades are subjective and that is just my opinion
By Brendan Jordan
Jan 8, 2017
rating: 5.11a/b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

Fun little line. I'd also agree on the slash grade, though I think it really depends on the climber. I found this pretty easy and didn't blink at the .11a grade in the guidebook, but my brother (who cruised a few other .11as this trip) thought the crux moves felt harder than anything on Caustic, for example. Either way, if you climb low .11 it's worth hopping on. For the record, I'm 6'2" and my brother is 5'10".

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