Devils Tower....................... Two Week Road Trip from Boston
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Lets road trip to the TOWER..... |
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Didn't the access fund post notice of a closure for the month of June for Indian ceremony? Better check before making a wasted trip |
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Don't Worry about the closure Go climb the tower man |
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krzy wrote:Don't Worry about the closure Go climb the tower man+1 |
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Don't be assholes and jeopardize access (or just be assholes), just because its a "voluntary" closure doesn't make it any less important. |
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B-Mkll wrote:Don't be assholes and jeopardize access (or just be assholes), just because its a "voluntary" closure doesn't make it any less important. There's a lot of sweet climbing within 2 hours of the tower (Cutler SP, Needles, Spearfish Canyon, Ten Sleep, etc etc)I have begun to seriously consider the hypothesis that the June voluntary closure was advanced by the Native American equivalent of white supremacists and their views do not represent a consensus of Native Americans. If this closure was so important to the broader Plains Indian cultures, then why are they noticeably absent from Devils Tower on so many days in June? I was there today and walked the loop trail looking for a Native American to ask if they mind if I climbed it - to no avail. Perhaps they were disguised as white folk. Nevertheless, in the past I have asked Native Americans that I've run into on the trail and I have yet to encounter a Native American that tells me I shouldn't climb it. This is why I've begun to challenge the true spirit of the June voluntary closure. How many climbers among us can present actual data that confirms that a majority of Native Americans find climbing Devils Tower blasphemous? Or has much of the climbing community simple swallowed a myth concocted by a racist group of Native Americans. We live in a liberal democracy which requires us all to have a thick skin. We should be able to draw crude cartoons of Mohammed, Jesus, and whomever we choose, and ALL natural wonders of this land belong to ALL people of this country with no disproportionate deference to any single group. Trying to placate every little group will only further encourage division in our society. |
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By the parameters of the Fort Laramie Treaty, Devil's Tower is part of a foreign country. |
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Tommy Layback wrote: I have begun to seriously consider the hypothesis that the June voluntary closure was advanced by the Native American equivalent of white supremacists and their views do not represent a consensus of Native Americans. If this closure was so important to the broader Plains Indian cultures, then why are they noticeably absent from Devils Tower on so many days in June? I was there today and walked the loop trail looking for a Native American to ask if they mind if I climbed it - to no avail. Perhaps they were disguised as white folk. Nevertheless, in the past I have asked Native Americans that I've run into on the trail and I have yet to encounter a Native American that tells me I shouldn't climb it. This is why I've begun to challenge the true spirit of the June voluntary closure. How many climbers among us can present actual data that confirms that a majority of Native Americans find climbing Devils Tower blasphemous? Or has much of the climbing community simple swallowed a myth concocted by a racist group of Native Americans. We live in a liberal democracy which requires us all to have a thick skin. We should be able to draw crude cartoons of Mohammed, Jesus, and whomever we choose, and ALL natural wonders of this land belong to ALL people of this country with no disproportionate deference to any single group. Trying to placate every little group will only further encourage division in our society.Seems like quite a reach to me. Perhaps the people you met were just being polite, perhaps it was a Monday and the foot traffic was lower. Here's an interesting article from a recent post about Devils Tower and access discussions. Pages 8 & 9 mainly and well worth the read. It's not just saying "don't climb in June" but talking about how this is the direction we should be moving with climbing restrictions for places with access issues. accessfund.org/atf/cf/%7B1F… |
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The reason you don't see Native Americans out there is most have stopped the ceremonies due to the people climbing in June. Most gave up trying to finish their thing due to noise. |
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Bill Kirby wrote: The reason you don't see Native Americans out there is most have stopped the ceremonies due to the people climbing in June. Most gave up trying to finish their thing due to noise.No. Not even close. If noise was the issue, Harleys would be restricted. |
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Jason Todd wrote: No. Not even close. If noise was the issue, Harleys would be restricted.So what's the reason? Can you enlighten me? |
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The ceremonies largely ended when the park was developed. |
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Jason Todd wrote:The ceremonies largely ended when the park was developed. The noise from climbers is miniscule compared to the noise of the Harleys.I Should've wrote noise in general plus climber traffic. Your words "when the park was developed" says it best. I'm didn't mean any one group was anymore responsible then the other. Rock, apologies for the derailment! |
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I'm courious as to what van you have. 25-30mpg and seats four. Older sprinter? Upfitted promaster? |
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my 2006 3500 SHC Sprinter gets around 23mpg (approx. 575miles for 25 gals.). This is with new and tuned injectors, new air filter, no a/c. Some of that driving is slow traffic miles so on the open road you might get up to 25mpg. With the diesel power module you might eek out an extra 1 mpg. |
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my 2006 3500 SHC Sprinter gets around 23mpg (approx. 575miles for 25 gals.). This is with new and tuned injectors, new air filter, no a/c. Some of that driving is slow traffic miles so on the open road you might get up to 25mpg. With the diesel power module you might eek out an extra 1 mpg. |