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Constant Gardener  

YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V ZA: 12 British: S 4b

Type:  Trad, TR, 1 pitch, 35'
Original:  YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V ZA: 12 British: S 4b [details]
FA: Flagstaff Oldschool
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Submitted By: Loren Trager on Jul 22, 2011

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Stemming section

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Good route for training beginning trad climbers or topropers. Short route that's easy to protect with good rests. Face climbing to a ledge on the right. Scramble past the 1st bush to 10ft of stemming, passing the 2nd bush along the way. Make it over a crux bulge, climb 10ft more and top out. Some vegetation but, overall, a fun climb.


Closer to the down-walk from the rim than Griffo. Come back only about 25ft back on the trail toward the rim overlook. Look for the blocky base of the cliff with a flat area 5ft wide in front of it and a tree. Very close to the access trail. Not mentioned in guides.


Easy to protect with a just handful of gear: 3 or 4 midsized nuts and a couple 1-2" cams. Tree and cracks make it easy to setup an anchor at the top.

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By JJ Schlick
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Nov 28, 2011

Believe it or not, Paul D said that all these lines in here have been climbed way back when.
By Paul Davidson
Nov 28, 2011

Not only way back when, but by who knows how many.
But hey, if one gets the feel of the FA, who cares.
By Mark Mueller
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Feb 7, 2012

Paul D, any idea if there is a variation top out left that feels like a 5.9? Did that one today and I must have gone off route a bit, weird mantle top out...
By Paul Davidson
Jan 15, 2015

Actually, after looking more closely at these pics, not sure I recall anyone doing these shorter things. These look like they're over to the right hand side? The stuff i recall was the things closer out to the corner (around bush rush, etc...)

So (very late in the response) I don't recall the 9ish top out Mark mentions.

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