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Changes in Longitude 

YDS: 5.5 French: 4b Ewbanks: 13 UIAA: IV+ ZA: 11 British: MS 4a

Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 150'
Original:  YDS: 5.5 French: 4b Ewbanks: 13 UIAA: IV+ ZA: 11 British: MS 4a [details]
FA: Dan Dingle, Mike Lawson, Alex McGuffie, Brent Roberts, and Maxie McGuffie 1978
Season: Winter, Spring, Fall
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Submitted By: Tim Heid on Apr 4, 2010

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CIL is a horizontal seam that crosses 2 large boulders to a huge detached flake. The entire first pitch of the climb is a traverse from left to right; make sure you place a good amount of pro to protect your second.

Pitch 1: Start on top of a large boulder and make a thin exposed move to get into the seam under a small roof. One spicy move and you're at jugs and good feet. Keep moving right for about 40' until you get to a break in the boulder. Look right and up 5' and you'll see the seam continue on. Follow this for about 30' and arrive at the detached flake to find 2 older, but solid bolts to belay from(semi-hanging, but comfortable). The belay can be backed up by medium sized gear.

Pitch 2: Fun, easy chimney climbing up to a large chockstone. Get past this and head up the face on the left to the top.


CIL is located about 200 feet west(climbers right) of the base of Quaker Oats.

When looking at Sven Slab from the parking area you can see a massive detached flake, this is the location of the end of pitch 1. Obvious thin seam runs that runs left of the flake across the middle of the boulders is CIL. Start is the very left side of this seam.


Set of nuts, doubles cams from 1/2" - 2"

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Rock Climbing Photo: After the first piece, the climb goes 5.5
BETA PHOTO: After the first piece, the climb goes 5.5

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By Tim Heid
From: AZ
Apr 5, 2010

This was a really fun traverse. The first move is a bit hard and protection is so-so. Get past that and it's fun climbing the rest of the way. The belay is pretty cool because you lean your back up against the giant flake and are in a semi-cave for the rest of the climb. I didn't place any gear on the second pitch (easy chimney) and went under the the chockstone to flat ground. We then went out of the cave to the right and 3rd class hiked down.

I would definitely do this climb again, but instead of doing the above stated second pitch, just traverse back and do the first pitch in reverse.
From: Mesa AZ
May 24, 2010
rating: 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a

Great route... 1st move is dicey - great pro! Yes thats my blood on the rock... LOL
By Dan Dingle
Dec 19, 2010

This route was first done by Dan Dingle, Mike Lawson and Alex McGuffie, 1978. We started in the chimney on the right and traversed left.

Dan Dingle
By Dan Dingle
Dec 24, 2010

Thank you. I believe Waugh is right. I vaguely remember now Alex's sister Maxie and Brent Roberts being there.

By Pablo-Roberts
From: Prescott, Arizona
Apr 17, 2011

Just a heads up everyone.. i was about to attempt this route yesterday around 1:20pm, when my partner and I noticed birds eating a mass amount of bees that were flying out of the crack. The Bees seem to be in the horizontal crack all the way to the huge chimney flake on the far right side...


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